Sunday, December 12, 2010

ISKCON president on hunger strike

Imphal, November 12 2010: Following accusation for misuse of temple fund, ISKCON Manipur president Ajit Das along with some other devotees have launched a fast unto death stir demanding resignation of GBC Gopal Krishna Goswami demanding his immediate resignation who reportedly made the allegation of fund misuse first.
Gopal Krisha Goswami (Fake guru)


Speaking to The Sangai Express, Ajit Das said that GBC Gopal Krishna Goswami took blind allegations made by one Eknath Das of the North East regional governing council about misuse of temple fund. Taking the words of Eknath Das, Gopal Krishna Goswami asked Ajit Das to resign from his post yesterday.
However, Ajit Das maintained that he has no qualms to give up his post if concrete evidence can be produced against him for misuse of fund.
“But I would not resign because of some baseless allegations”, Ajit Das said.
Even as Gopal Krishna Goswami was appointed GBC more than a year back, he has not visited ISKCON Imphal even once and, as such he has no idea about the activities of ISKCON Imphal.
He said that the fast unto death stir was launched demanding his resignation to teach Gopal Krishna Goswami a lesson.
Source: The Sangai Express

Govardhana puja @ ISKCON Bangalore: News from Newspapers

THE TIMES OF INDIA


BANGALORE: It was celebration of a different kind at Iskcon on Saturday. The temple celebrated Govardhana festival on its premises with a 1,450-kg vegetarian cake, a replica of the Govardhana Hill.
The cake, of different flavours and topped with various cookies, was baked in the temple bakery.
The festival commemorates the pastime of Lord Krishna balancing the Govardhana Hill on his little finger to protect his devotees and the residents of Vrindavana. The deity was decorated in Giridhari alankara, holding a small replica of Govardhana Hill on his left hand.
Hundreds of visitors offer ghee lamps to Sri Radha Krishna-Chandra during the auspicious month of Karthika.
Read more: 1,450-kg cake for Lord Krishna – The Times of India


Express Buzz


BANGALORE: ISKCON, Bangalore, prepared a cake weighing about 1,200 kg – resembling Govardhan hill – and worshipped it.
As per legends in Vishnu Puran, people of Gokul used to worship Lord Indra for sending rains. But Lord Krishna told them that it was Govardhan hill and not Lord Indra who sent the rains and thus the latter should be worshipped. Thus the people started worshipping the hill, much to the anger of Lord Indra. An infuriated Indra lashed Gokul with heavy rain. That is when Lord Krishna lifted the Govardhan hill on his little finger and the people of Gokul took shelter under it.
The 1,200-kg cake made at ISKCON resembles that hill.
The fourth day of Diwali is celebrated as Anna Koot, which literally means mountain of food. On this day, people prepare 56 or 108 different varieties of dishes to offer Lord Krishna.

Letter to Gopal and Sally Agarwal

Letter to Gopal and Sally Agarwal

"So far I have studied the American minds they are eager and apt to receive Bhakti Cult of Srimad-Bhagavatam because the Christian religion is based on the same principle. My mission is not turn any one from the affiliation of a particular religion but I want to let them know more knowledge about God and devotion."
"So far I have studied the American minds they are eager and apt to receive Bhakti Cult of Srimad-Bhagavatam because the Christian religion is based on the same principle. My mission is not turn any one from the affiliation of a particular religion but I want to let them know more knowledge about God and devotion."
Saturday, November 6, 1965
New York, New York
My dear daughter Sally,
I am so glad to receive your very affectionate letter of the 3rd instant and have noted the contents carefully.
Yes I have got this nice typewriter by the Grace of the Lord and I am very much satisfied with it working. Before receiving your letter under reply I have sent two letters both to you and Gopala. I understand that you have received them. In one of them I have requested Gopala to dispatch 25 sets of books to Paragon Book Gallery and I am anxious to know if the books are already dispatched.
Regarding your reminder for my good cooking, I am very much thankful to you and next time when I shall go to your home, I must serve you with good lunches without fail. Now I am far away from you otherwise I would have at once gone to you and entertained you with such lunches. I am anxious to learn about the health of you all specially of your little children. How is your naughty daughter Kamla. Please offer them my love and blessings and so also accept both of you.
Please write to me occasionally and as Gopala is not accustomed to reply promptly I shall henceforward write to you. Did you meet your good father and mother in the meantime? If you meet them please offer them my respectful regards. Both your father and mother are good souls and therefore you are a good daughter of your parents. I remember all of you always.
Please offer my good wishes to your friends who still remember me. I shall meet them again when I go to Butler. I like Butler more than New York and specially the quarters in which your home is situated. Had I had the means to rent a house independently I would have gone back again to Butler and hold my Bhagavatam discourses daily with good friends.
So far I have studied the American minds they are eager and apt to receive Bhakti Cult of Srimad-Bhagavatam because the Christian religion is based on the same principle. My mission is not turn any one from the affiliation of a particular religion but I want to let them know more knowledge about God and devotion.
Dr. Rammurti Mishra is also very kind gentleman and I am living very comfortably at his care. He is keen after looking my all kinds of comforts. I am negotiating with some booksellers and publishers and I hope I shall be able to settle something before I leave for the next station. I shall be New York still for a few days more and I shall let you know when I leave the station.
I am so grateful to your kindness and surely I shall ask you if I need anything. I have left my hearth and home in India but here by the Grace of the Lord I have got good sons and daughter like you. So I do not feel any foreign complexion.
Hope you are all well and awaiting your early reply,
Yours affectionately,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

Harvard Business School Does Case Study On Akshaya Patra

“The Akshaya Patra Foundation, the worlds largest school meal programme today announced that it has been honoured with an case exclusive study done on its operation by none other than the prestigious Harvard Business School
, USA.”


(1888PressRelease) April 23, 2008 – The Akshaya Patra Foundation, the worlds largest school
meal programme being implemented across six states in India and covering over eight lakh Fifty children in 4,500 schools, today announced that it has been honoured with an case exclusive study done on its operation by none other than the prestigious Harvard Business School, USA. Coming together to present the case study to the media was the chairman of the foundation, Shriman Madhu Pandit Dasa, Chairman,Trustee, Mohandas Pai, Director-HR, Infosys.
The case study has been prepared by Professor David Upton and Christine Ellis, Sarah Lucas, and Amy Yamner after extensive fieldwork, personal interviews with a number of Akshaya Patra officials, school children, teachers and government officials. While HBS cases are developed as a part of the business school’s curriculum and are generally not intended to serve as endorsements, the fact remains that these case studies carry substantial weightage as they represent a clear picture of an organisation, its ability to carry out specific operations, illustrate the innovations that have been undertaken and, overall, provide examples that can be replicated. Akshaya Patra is the first NGO in India to have been selected for a case study and the team has done an excellent job in capturing the soul of the operations.
“We would like to thank HBS for choosing Akshaya Patra as a case study. We are honoured by this distinction. Above all, it is heartening to know that this case study will enable many more people across the globe to know about Akshaya Patra and its yeoman efforts to eradicate hunger and illiteracy in India,” commented Shriman Madhu Pandit Das. He added, “The HBS Case study is one more positive step in boosting our efforts to ensure that we reach out to a million children by the end of this decade. The discussions that will take place and is taking place among students and teachers at Harvard will mean that tomorrow’s corporate leaders will have a deeper knowledge of India’s needs and the activities that are being undertaken indigenously.”
Trustee Mohandas Pai revealed to the media that the foundation presently feeds secure wholesome, nutritious and hygienically cooked school meals for over 8,50,000 children across 14 locations that span six states of India. “The HBS case study provides for an interesting and inspiring read about Akshaya Patra. It is an independent report compiled by the world’s leading business school. The case study will vouch for the transparency in Akshaya Patra’s operations, the dedication of the people behind it, its innovative methods, technically advanced kitchens and its phenomenal success in a span of seven years.”

The ISKCON BTG Public Disinformation Campaign Continues

Oct 24, 2010 — TORONTO, ONTARIO, CANADA (SUN) — Recently in their latest Back To Godhead magazine, Nov/Dec 2010, an article entitled, “The Mission Of Book Distribution” by Karuni Dharini devi dasi failed to inform the public that the Bhagavad-gita As It Is that they are distributing is a massively revised edition of the original 1972 McMillan edition which Srila Prabhupada himself approved.
In fact, nowhere in any literature or publication does Srila Prabhupada specifically approve of the massive changes the BBT has engaged in regarding all of his books.
An early reference in the article points to the fortunate approval of Pavaki dasi, formerly Christina, who in 1976 bought a copy of Srila Prabhupada’s 1976 Gita, which had not been altered. That was 6 years before the defamed Gita of 1982.
Her revelations came as a result of the 1976 edition, but the overall article leads the reader to think that the 1976 edition is the same as the one distributed nowadays by ISKCON simply because the revised 1982 Gita is not mentioned.
Bhrgupati dasa is a Friend of The BBT and makes his living distributing any books the BBT puts out. Very noble indeed, but when the product changes, is it not the job of sincere devotees to inform the public of changes to the original product? ISKCON will talk at length as to why they have made and continue to make changes, but that talk is not for the customer at all in any day-to-day exchanges. That is false representation of the author, commonly called fraud.
In the sub-section entitled “Srila Prabhupada Initiates Book Distribution”, she writes about the 1972 edition of the Gita that was acclaimed by scholars and that “It can now be read in over one hundred languages”. That is more misinformation misleading the public. It cannot “be read in over one hundred languages”, as the original 1972 edition which made devotees like Pavaki dasi has been out of print since 1982.
And ISKCON does not distribute it. Then she mentions the Krsna Book, which we know has also been changed by the BBT and it’s employees.
Nicely it is described how in the early days, Srila Prabhupada’s disciples found ways to distribute his Krsna Books. There are a number of examples of experiences of devotees in relation to Srila Prabhupada’s books, but there is no timeline. Back To Godhead magazine was designed by Srila Prabhupada as a publication to inform with the truth.
So far, by page 20 and the beginning of the ‘Traveling Brahmacaris’ section, the new reader has no idea who Srila Prabhupada is accept that he wrote the books they are encouraged to buy. He is not referred to as His Divine Grace, Founder/Acarya of The International Society For Krsna Consciousness in the beginning or up to this point. One wonders who this article is speaking to?
It seems to simply be a couched report for those in the know and a sort of literary pep rally for book distributors for the BBT. Krsna as the Supreme Personality Of Godhead is not mentioned at all accept for the total title of Srila Prabhupada’s Krsna Book. Regardless of the fact that this article is in the BTG, which recognises Srila Prabhupada formally, the fact is that he is not properly or formally recognised in this article. This inconsistency is unacceptable and misleading to the reader.
Let’s move on.
Disciples of Srila Prabhupada who originally distributed Srila Prabhupada’s books used to wear tilak and traditional dhoti, kurta, or for the ladies, saris while distributing his books. This article does not show the face of one book and it does not even state the titles of the many books it says were sold. No numbers are given.
The title of this article is ‘The Mission Of Book Distribution’. Is it the mission of ISKCON and the BBT to mislead the public to buy books that are illegally revised and edited from the originals, while selling the changed books on the legacy of Srila Prabhupada and his original disciples as if those books were the originals? The public is not being informed, and why not?
The reason is very simple. Not informing the innocent public that the books they are buying are illegally revised and edited while talking face-to-face with the public is done specifically to sell the public the new millennium ISKCON and BBT and their conditioned version of the absolute truth, because they have failed to understand the original. Like Bob Dylan said in It’s Alright Ma, I’m Only Bleeding…
While he who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from societies pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole that he’s in.
In conclusion, not once in this article does Karuni Dharuni devi dasi indicate that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Nor is Srila Prabhupada introduced to the reader as His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Founder/Acarya of the International Society For Krsna Consciousness, or even the founder of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.
She does, of course, give her allegiance and recognition to her ISKCON guru, His Grace Virabahu dasa, but does not publicly thank Srila Prabhupada for the mercy he has given her.

Friends Of The BBT states on their home page:
“Second generation devotees, who comprise over half of BTG/Krishna.com’s staff, are involved in all aspects of this new venture, from programming, to customer service, to writing and graphic design. They also write, edit and run subscriber services at Back to Godhead magazine, which shares the same office with Krishna.com.
But their biggest challenge is preserving the eternal relevancy of bhakti amid changing fads, even as time passes since Srila Prabhupada first brought the seed of Vaishnavism to Western shores. It’s each preceding generation’s job, they feel, to pass that eternal treasure unchanged to future generations, who will then place it in a new bottle.”
The words “unchanged” are false — not true at all. Srila Prabhupada’s books are constantly under attack by the BBT, to be changed endlessly at the whim of a few top corporate bureaucrats whose job is to feed the public what they think the public should be fed from the Vedas and Srila Prabhupada’s original books.
It is extremely important in any endeavour that one search for truth, not simply to be served and accept the truth from others blindly. Searching means to examine in order to find something lost or concealed.
People, please beware of the current ISKCON and its BBT, and consider this in your search for truth.
“For agreeing to be served the truth severely reduces one’s personal and societies collective vision. To search for truth demands intelligence, integrity and wisdom which are all born of sincerity. It is sincerity that provokes the heart to relish the full potency of the truths revealed.
Srila Prabhupada told us never to accept blindly which is the wants of those who wish to be served the truth. Srila Prabhupada said many times that changing means imperfect knowledge, no change indicates that a search is on and those are the individuals we want to associate with. For by their association the search is eternal and an ever constantly expanding ecstasy.”
Srila Prabhupada’s original pre-1978 books can be found at Krishna Books Inc.
YS Hasti Gopala dasa

Friday, December 10, 2010

Indradyumna Swami Dismisses Need for Physical Presence

The following is taken from an Indradyumna Swami ‘darshan’ – (Text COM:1974636).


My comments follow:
“But I would offer that there is a misconception here in guru-disciple relationship. Of course, it is certainly nice if one can have some personal instruction, a personal direction in one’s life from the spiritual master. But one’s success in Krishna consciousness is not necessarily based on that.”
Here Maharaja very nicely sums up the IRM position – that the absence of ‘personal direction’ does not hinder one’s spiritual life.
“Srila Prabhupada personally interacted with his spiritual master maybe three or four occasions. I think, he wrote two letters to Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, and received one reply. And if one’s advancement in Krishna Consciousness is dependent upon the personal association of the spiritual master, directing one in one’s daily activities, then what are the chances of me in perfecting my Krishna consciousness because my spiritual master passed away in 1977? I haven’t seen Srila Prabhupada almost twenty years. “
Maharaja again destroy’s the GBC’s current ‘living Guru’ idea.
“So I think there is a fallacy, there is something wrong in this mentality, that the spiritual master is not taking proper care of his disciples if he is not able to answer each and every one of their letters. The spiritual master is not Krishna. He can’t expand himself in 16,108 forms and personally be with each disciple.”
Maharaja here perfectly exposes the falsity of the need for the Guru to have a vapu form to be able to take ‘proper care of his disciples’.
“So if my disciples listen very carefully to the lectures, to the tape ministry, and read the few books that I’ve printed, and carefully study Srila Prabhupada’s books, I feel that they are armed with knowledge to stand and fight against the material energy. I am completely, hundred percent confident of that.”
* So the disciples need to take instruction primarily from Srila Prabhupada – since which Guru can compare with Srila Prabhupada’s tapes and books?
“That’s the way I follow myself in my relationship with Prabhupada, my spiritual master. I had the liberty in one or two occasions to ask from Prabhupada for some personal instruction, but now, if I need to understand something, I read the books or I can solve it with my godbrothers. So then I ask the disciples to do the same.”
So the program is to read Srila Prabhupada’s books, and take siksa from other senior devotees – the same formula given in ‘The Final Order’.
“But we do have the knowledge. It is available in Srila Prabhupada’s books, it is available through our spiritual master’s lectures through Nilakantha’s tape ministry. There is a lot! There is more that comes out from this tape machine than just plastic tapes (shakes a tape). What really comes out of that tape recorder on these tapes is divya-jnana, or transcendental knowledge.”
This of course also applies to Srila Prabhupada’s tapes!
Conclusion
Maharaja has given here a perfect treatise on why the current Guru system is unnecessary. He has admitted himself, that he is not giving any value, and instead leaving it mainly up to Srila Prabhupada. So why not stop pretending and leave EVERYTHING to Srila Prabhupada – including the disciples which belong to him only. We do not need anymore of the “Let Srila Prabhupada do all the work – but let us take the credit” mentality! Maharaja has offered ample justification for cutting out the middle man since he wants us to take shelter directly of Srila Prabhupada anyway

IRM: You cannot jump over to the superior guru

Quotes, Notes and News (QNN)



Krishnakant | IRM| In the BTP 24 article “The Divinity Delusion”, we cited ISKCON GBC voted in guru HH Bhakti Vikash Swami (“BVKS”) claiming he should be worshipped as good as God almighty simply because, like any new bhakta (devotee) who joins ISKCON, he will tell people to follow Srila Prabhupada:
“My Vyasa puja [...] So you may think, well, what is my qualification to accept the honour and affection that you are offering to me [...] Well, that is my qualification, that if I can glorify Prabhupada then that’s the qualification …actually, the er… I’m not qualified, intrinsically, but qualified because I can point, “here is Prabhupada, and follow his instructions, and ask you to have faith in what Srila Prabhupada has given.”
(BVKS, “Vyasa Puja” Lecture, Tirupati, January 5th, 2008)
In fact, this philosophy of “act like a bhakta, get worshipped as a guru” was preached nearly two decades prior by the man responsible for “The Great Guru Hoax, Part 2″ (the current GBC guru system), HG Ravindra Svarupa Das (“RSD”). RSD claimed that Srila Prabhupada actually delivers divya-jnana (transcendental knowledge), and one can become a GBC elected successor guru simply by claiming the credit for delivering this divya-jnana oneself!
“For example a spiritual master may instruct a disciple, “Make sure you read Srila Prabhupada’s books for two hours every day…” — then he’s giving divya-jnana. He can do it this way. He need not be able to write those books, but if he keep his students reading the books, and he makes sure they understand what they read, then he’s giving divya-jnana.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Vaisnava Institute for Higher Education, January 21st, 1990,
Vrindavan, published in ISKCON Journal, 1990).
An ISKCON guru is now no different to any bhakta who distributes books.
ISKCON’s guru hoaxers are happy to let Srila Prabhupada do all the hard work of giving divya-jnana and delivering disciples, while they take all the worship and credit and they openly admit it!
ISKCON leader set in concrete
ISKCON UK congregational preaching director HG Kripamoya Das (“KMD”) has again argued that due to the need for “rebuke, correction, and ongoing guidance”, the diksha, or initiating, guru must be: “..in Srila Prabhupada’s own words: ‘concrete’, ‘appearing before the physical senses of the disciple, and someone to whom the disciple can surrender in person.”
(both quotes from The Vaishnava Voice, April 4th, 2010)
As we have documented in previous issues of BTP, KMD continues to falsely attribute to Srila Prabhupada his philosophical misconception that the guru must be physically present before the disciple in order to act as the disciple’s guru. Let us examine the first quotation KMD alludes to:
“Not that in air you make a spiritual master. You make a spiritual master concrete.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, September 23rd,1969)
Here all Srila Prabhupada is saying is that you cannot fabricate a spiritual master out of the air. Is KMD arguing that Srila Prabhupada is a fabrication? If so, he has been the disciple of an imaginary guru for the past 33 years!
Regarding the guru “appearing before the physical senses of the disciple”, KMD later confessed:
“I will admit to being unable to find the specific quote I wanted.”
(HG Kripamoya Das, June 10th, 2010)
As for the need for “rebuke”, “correction” and “ongoing guidance”, KMD contradicts himself, since he has admitted that he himself was never rebuked, corrected or guided by Srila Prabhupada when he was physically present!:
“you (Srila Prabhupada) replied “Jaya” [...] That was the only word you said to me directly [...] One word spoken thirty years previously”.
(HG Kripamoya Das, Vyasa Puja offering to Srila Prabhupada, 2007)
Same quote, opposite conclusion
1) GBC 1998: Srila Prabhupada is NOT the current link
Below, while attempting to refute the IRM’s The Final Order position paper, the GBC claim that Srila Prabhupada stating we must accept the “immediate next acharya” means that Srila Prabhupada is a previous acharya (guru), and we must accept a successor GBC-elected guru:
“[...] surrendering to a living bona-fide spiritual master, is imperative to the proper understanding of Vedic knowledge. This point is made clear in the following quote: “[...] You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand it from me. This is called parampara system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acarya, immediate next acarya.”
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, December 8th, 1973)
[...] He clearly explains the principal of parampara, and even explicitly states that simply to read books is not enough ( a corner stone of the ritvik-theory), but rather the disciple must understand everything through his own spiritual master, and not attempt to independently understand the previous acharyas.”
(Prabhupada’s Order, Ministry for the Protection of ISKCON, GBC 1998)
2) GBC 2000: Srila Prabhupada IS the current link
However, just 2 years later, the GBC claimed (correctly) that Srila Prabhupada stating we must accept the “immediate next acharya” means that Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya, not a previous acharya:
“Srila Prabhupada said in a Srimad Bhagavatam lecture given in Los Angeles on December 8,1973:
“You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called parampara system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acarya, immediate next acarya.”
This would mean that in answering any difficult question, where there are apparent contradictions that cannot be easily resolved, our primary resource should be the words of Srila Prabhupada our “immediate next acarya.” [...]. If we were capable of independently absorbing sastra, why did Srila Prabhupada write purports to all of his translations? So the first resource should be Srila Prabhupada’s words.”
(Drutakarma Das, GBC Sastric Advisory Council member, The Origin of the Jiva, 2000)
Thus, depending on their agenda, and which conclusion they seek to prove, the GBC have no problem in shamelessly turning Srila Prabhupada’s teachings on their head claiming he is not the “next immediate acarya” when it comes to preserving their own illegal status as self-appointed successor hoaxer gurus, but claiming the exact opposite when arguing a different issue.

Thursday, December 9, 2010

ISKCON Accepts One Ritvik Temple and IRM Disintegrates

At least one ISKCON temple already accepts Srila Prabhupada as the guru. If one visits ISKCON Bangalore there will be no doubt that Srila Prabhupada is living still in sound and still very actively spreading the holy name around!


ISKCON Bangalore has created a positive example showing how nicely things can run if Prabhupada’s orders are followed and Prabhupada is the guru in ISKCON. They don’t want to attack ISKCON and it’s leaders. Rather they welcome devotees and leaders from other temples to visit so they can see first-hand how nicely a temple can run with Prabhupada in the centre.
Recently ISKCON Bangalore has withdrawn from the ISKCON Revival Movement (IRM). They are disappointed with the leadership of IRM and the new direction their preaching has taken. They are also not happy with the result of the IRM’s war with ISKCON in Calcutta. At least for the time being the preaching field in Calcutta has been spoiled. It is now very difficult to preach and distribute books there, the public don’t really understand what’s going on, just that there is an enormous fight within ISKCON and they don’t want any part of it.
Madhu Pandit Prabhu, the ISKCON Bangalore Temple President, says IRM are simply good when it comes to writing papers but they have no ability to work with people. He says, “Ultimately, if you want to preach, you need to work with people.”
Currently the Bangalore temple has a first-class reputation in South India and the public give a great deal of respect to the devotees and very much appreciate the ISKCON temple. Bangalore was once famous as the garden city, but now it’s famous for the ISKCON temple. Almost all the tourists to Bangalore now go to see the ISKCON temple… Considering this the Bangalore devotees don’t want to start a war with ISKCON which would destroy the good name of ISKCON in South India.
The GBC have given Madhu Pandit the guarantee they will not interfere with his preaching in South India but have not yet gone so far as appointing a ritvik representative of Srila Prabhupada to perform the initiations in Bangalore. This means that ISKCON now has its first official ritvik temple.
In the meantime the devotees in Bangalore are being initiated by Srila Prabhupada personally. When the Temple President considers a devotee to be ready for initiation he writes a letter recommending the devotee to Srila Prabhupada. Then the devotee goes before Srila Prabhupada and prays: “Dear Srila Prabhupada currently your ritvik representatives are not doing their service so I am asking you to please accept me as your disciple and inspire me to select a spiritual name.” So in this way the ISKCON Bangalore devotees are being initiated by Srila Prabhupada.
ISKCON Bangalore plans to increase the number of devotees waiting for formal initiation from Srila Prabhupada to one thousand. Then every year they will go to the Mayapur festival and have a grand kirtan and request the GBC to appoint a ritvik representative of Srila Prabhupada as Srila Prabhupada outlines in his July 9th, 1977 letter so the devotees can be formally initiated.
Due to serious leadership problems the IRM has lost most of its support from the worldwide community of devotees however we are all greatly indebted to Krishna Kanta Prabhu and the other IRM devotees for writing and putting so much energy into distributing and preaching about, “The Final Order.” While it contains nothing new [it's basically a summary of what many other devotees had written previously] the devotees distributing “The Final Order” were able to break through the barriers of ISKCON. The “Final Order” convinced Madhu Pandit dasa and many other leaders and general devotees in ISKCON that Prabhupada did establish a system to enable him to continue to accept disciples in ISKCON after his disappearance from our mundane vision.
Previously many devotees outside ISKCON knew Srila Prabhupada established a ritvik system to continue the initiations after his physical departure, but now, thanks to “The Final Order” many devotees living in ISKCON temples also agree, although they may not be able to come out and say it yet publicly. We shall see how things develop in the future…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy! All glories to jagat guru, saviour of the whole world, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!

Taken from Krishna.org

Ex-ISKCON Guru Now Ex-Ithaca Car Salesman

ITHACA, NY – Ex-ISKCON guru, John O’Brien, is now also an ex-Ithaca car salesman, closing his doors after a scandal-rocked year. 2007 was “difficult as hell,” claims O’Brien, adding, “What with the cost of gas and the weak dollar, people were just not taking to buying cars.”
The Ithacar Used Carlot in Ithaca, NY opened in spring of 2002, several months after O’Brien stepped down from the post of ISKCON guru due to sexual misconduct and what he calls “financial misunderstandings.”
But it was those “financial misunderstandings” that O’Brien insists gave him the business skills to establish the Ithaca-based business.
“You’d be surprised how similar the two jobs were,” Says O’Brien, whose skills as guru naturally lead him into the used car business.
“In ISKCON I had to convince my disciples that I was some pure and holy guy, ready, willing and able to take them back to Godhead, what they didn’t know was that I was sleeping with my secretary and lying on my expense reports.”
“And as a used car salesman,” he continued, “I had to convince my customers that I was some friendly and honest guy, ready, willing and able to sell that 1987 Ford Fiesta at invoice, taking not a penny of profit, what they didn’t know was that I picked it up at a repo-sale for under a hundred bucks. I was lying on my expense reports there too.”
The business flourished until 2006, the year he was audited by the IRS and taken to court on five separate occasions under New York’s Lemon Law.
“It was surprisingly similar to his experience in ISKCON,” states ISKCON spokesman Balananda dasa, “in both cases, he managed to pass himself off as honest and trustworthy, but in the end, it was his disciples and customers who paid the price.”
There were hints of misconduct at both professions long before termination of either. In 1994, several of O’Brien’s female disciples came forward, claiming to have to have been inappropriately touched and taunted by their, then, guru. This resulted in O’Brien being suspended from initiating new disciples for one full year.
Similarly, in 2003, a disgruntled customer, Jerry Berowitz, accused O’Brien of dishonesty involving a 1989 Mercury Topaz with two different Vehicle Identification Numbers. The lawsuit resulted in the suspension of his Auto Dealer’s License for one year.
“I just didn’t know what to do,” complained Berkowitz, “I trusted this man to be everything he said he was. I put my faith in him and he let me down. I was promised that this Mercury Topaz would take me back to home, but it was all lies.”
In a letter of apology to his customers, modified only slightly from his letter of apology to his disciples, O’Brien states, “Yes, I’ve made my share of mistakes, but I am truly sorry for the pain that I have caused to so many trusting people. But my with my health problems all the service I had to do, I simply couldn’t keep up with my daily duties and practices.”
O’Brien is now banned from giving class in any ISKCON temple as well as selling cars in New York state.
He claims that he will appeal the ruling and be “back in charge in no time at all,” but it was unclear whether he was talking about ISKCON or the Ithacar Used Car Lot.
From THE HING

The “Sai Krishna” Picture Imbroglio


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original syamasundara pic



While we’re all in the Krishna mood, this might be the perfect time to relate an account of an instance of deception that I discovered while still a devotee. Even now that I am no longer a devotee, this still serves to show the vociferous reactions of Sai Baba followers to this affair. Sometime around the year 2000, I read a post on the (now offline) Sai Unity yahoo group about a certain Australian devotee, ‘Luther Christ’, who had visited Puttaparthi sometime in the 1980s, and who took photos of Sai Baba during darshan times. Upon returning to Australia and subsequently developing the photos, he was surprised to find that one of them was a miraculous picture of “Sai Krishna”, a photo of Sai Baba as Krishna! This photo was attached with the post for all to see. As usual, several devotees on that forum thanked the poster for allowing them to partake of such grace as well as be in possession of this photo.
The only problem with this story was that I immediately recognised that this photo was a complete fake. It was not just the fact that it was an incredibly poor effort but that the background was similar to a painting of Krishna done by ISKCON artists. Since I have a long background with ISKCON I was able to recognise it immediately. In the “Sai Krishna” version, the blue of Sai Baba’s face is markedly different to the blue of the arms and the edges of the photo are rather conveniently blacked out. However, a gopi in the corner can be seen clearly. To double-check, I visited the galleries of various ISKCON-oriented websites as well as look in my old picture collection only to find that my guess was correct: the picture was indeed from ISKCON.
When I was thus armed with indisputable evidence of fraud and voiced these objections on the forum, there appeared to be no real reply except for one particularly long-winded rationalisation as to why we should accept the “Sai Krishna” photo as a genuine miracle. The explanation went something like this: “It is probably Swami’s will that those who need to see him this way will see him in that way. We do not need to concern ourselves whether this photo is fake or not.” With this type of logic, one can get away with anything under the sun. The devotees did not really seem to care that a fraud had been perpetrated and that they were guilty of blindly swallowing yet another inscrutable leela of Swami’s. Perhaps they were too embarrassed to admit it?
Since I had only made claims, I was asked by a more honest devotee in private to prove such claims by supplying him with the original ISKCON picture. This I did, and he promptly declared on the (also now offline) Unity In Diversity yahoogroup that he was in possession of the original picture and that I was able to support my claims of fraud. Even then, there was no real retraction of the picture or the accompanying story from the forum archives by any member or moderator.
The next part of this story occurred when I had left the organisation of Sai Baba and also given up my adoration and worship of him. Funny how the tables turn when you are on the other side; there seems to be an immediate air of distrust, suspiciousness, and plain ol’ hostility. This type of treatment may be par for the course in material organisations, but to receive it from people who are supposedly of a spiritual bent of mind is a shock to the system. Even with all their wacky beliefs you’d think that Sai devotees would show some concern/compassion/sympathy for former members of the “Sai Family” who have fallen away by the wayside, but no, you are guilty of the biggest sin on earth.
Alas, I digress and so on we go. When I brought up this issue of the ‘Sai Krishna’ photos in the Yahoo forums as an example of how the Puttaparthi photo labs are in the business of creating faked pictures now and again, I was rudely asked to provide proof by a certain adherent named Lisa De Witt (hereafter referred to as ‘LDW’):
Where’s the proof? You guys always talk a lot of crap but you NEVER have any actual evidence to back it up. It’s ALL talk.
Fair enough, so I simply recounted my story about the discussion that had transpired on the Sai Unity group and how I had proven this so-called miracle to be nothing but a cheap fraud. I also recounted the accompanying story of “Luther Christ” from Australia, informing LDW that she could see all of these evidences in the archives of Sai Unity. Surprisingly, she retorted:
Still talk and NO proof.
Erm, I had just informed LDW that the “proof” was to be found in the archives of Sai Unity. Moreover, since I happened to know that LDW was actually a lazy individual who needed all information on a plate, I took the responsibility of looking up the exact posts on the Sai Unity group and posting them all so that everyone could see the relevant exchanges. In retrospect, I wish that I had downloaded those particular postings instead of just posting links to them, considering that Sai Unity is now offline and none of the Internet Archive engines seem to have kept cached copies of the necessary postings. In any case, however, at the time it was real and true that the messages at hand could be seen by all and sundry.
Even more surprisingly, LDW retorted:
Unless you can put the photos side by side so people can see for themselves it is NOT proof.
Duhhhh. At the time of writing, Yahoo discussion groups do not allow messages to have their attachments saved. This means that if somebody in a discussion group wishes to post a picture to the group members, only the members at the time of posting will receive the picture; the picture is not available for download at a later date.
However, at the time this discussion was taking place, Yahoo Groups did allow attachments to be saved and thus we can see how absurd LDW’s contention is, considering that I had already provided direct links to the postings at hand which contained the necessary pictures to download. All LDW had to do was see the postings, download the attached pictures and then view them side-by-side for herself to see the obvious fraud. Oddly, this simple process proved to be too difficult for her to carry out.
An apparent reason for LDW’s distrust was apparently because of a similar “photo fraud” reported by Hari Sampath regarding a photo claiming to have captured Sai Baba amongst clouds (which may require a dedicated blog to discuss!) was doubtful, according to her:
I don’t belive [sic] anythig [sic] unless I see evidence. And esecially [sic] here since I’ve seen such manipulation on your side myself.
Let’s keep in mind that I had just (twice!) mentioned that the material was available as well as providing the direct links to the posts at hand, which had the photos attached for anyone to download and see for themselves. Even if there was a reason to be suspicious based on similar issues with photographic fakes, this was completely unwarranted here considering that the pictures in question were freely available. Not just in postings, but on the Web too!
In any case I figured that I had better respond to LDW’s claim of manipulation, and I simply related that these exchanges had taken place while I was still a Sai devotee discussing the issue with fellow devotees. As a devotee, I had nothing to lose by pointing out this photographic fraud. To have the fraud confirmed by a fellow devotee after I sent him a copy of the original ISKCON photo proved that other people had recognised it, even if some of them tried to justify it with a “Swami wills everything” explanation. I also pointed out that since fellow Sai devotees had seen both the pictures and admitted that the “Sai Krishna” picture was a fake after considering the evidence, this put LDW’s own claim into doubt since she claimed not to believe anything without evidence.
One has to wonder why she failed to see what her fellow devotees could see in the plain and clear light of day.
Even if it is so that the two pictures need to be seen for themselves, side-by-side, here they are. See the difference!
In another post I provided a commentary on both the photos. Regarding the “Sai Krishna” version, I noted how convenient it was for the edges of the photo to be blacked out. I speculated that this could be because the producer of this photo wanted to erase as much of the original picture as possible just in case anybody recognised it as an ISKCON picture. Even with the considerable blackout, a gopi can be seen clearly. Also, the colour of the face is different from that of the arms. In the ISKCON edition, the full picture can be seen (wonder of wonders!), the colour of Krishna’s face and arms is consistent and the gopi can be fully seen. If that isn’t obvious enough, I don’t know what is.
To erase all doubt, I posted both the pictures in the ‘Photos’ section of the club just in case anyone else – in the future – would ridiculously attempt to argue that both the pictures should be seen side-by-side. I then penned a post concluding that, considering all of the available evidence that was plain for all to see, it is obvious that the “Sai Krishna miracle photo” is a proven fraud and should be treated as such. Of course I also noted how LDW seemed to have no comment on the matter, which was hardly surprising.
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Speaking of surprise, one has to wonder what Sai Baba himself thinks of all these shenanigans. A devotee incidentally posted a link in the Yahoo Groups that detailed an interview transcript by Connie Shaw which apparently occurred in January 1992. Veterans will remember that Connie Shaw is the devotee who is famous for documenting and speaking on the healings that have occurred via the infamous ‘Golden Lingam’ photo. I believe that she has written a book of her experiences, as well as maintaining a devotional website. By all accounts, I think her words would be reliable. Interestingly, Shaw appears to have spoken to Sai Baba about this very photo. It’s worth reading just to see what Sai Baba says:
Connie showed Baba the recent photo making the rounds and asked if the so-called Krishna photo with Baba’s face on it were legitimate, as it looked very suspicious to her and she suspected it was a computer rendering with a fraudulent story attached to the photo re its origen[sic]. Baba said, “This is artificial. It is (like a) painting.” Connie asked, “You mean, as on the computer, Swami?” Baba replied, “Yes, I don’t like artificial (things). He tossed it down. Connie thanked Him for confirming it.
And here is a screenshot of the exchange that, at the time of writing, is still online on Shaw’s webspace:
After noting how I should explain to Shaw that, rather than believe Sai Baba’s explanation, she should be apprised of the facts regarding this picture; how it is really an ISKCON picture with Krishna’s face cut out and replaced with Sai Baba’s sneery mug. Lisa then burst forth with:
The truth is that probably someone like you from ISKCON created the fake in an attempt to discredit Sai Baba. Just think, he knows who it is.
*sigh*
Conveniently forgetting that I was a Sai devotee at the time this all took place on the Sai Unity group, the entire incident shows that I had nothing to lose (or gain) by testifying that this picture was a fraud. In fact, I could have kept quiet and allowed my fellow devotees to delude themselves that this was a miracle picture. “Wow! Sai Baba shows himself as Krishna! Wow wow!” It only showed that I have a great love for the truth and I cannot stand to see untruth reign, even if it meant sacrificing the credibility of my then guru. And truth will always reveal itself.
This is also an appropriate place to speak a little about denial. In regards to this issue, it had been claimed that:
- This issue had been discussed and resolved on the Sai Unity group.
- I provided direct links to the posts (and attachments) at hand.
- I uploaded them to the ‘Photos’ section for all to see for themselves.
- I commented on the inconsistencies of the photos.
- Sai Baba himself apparently confirmed that this photo was a fake.
We can easily see that LDW was all along operating on the understanding that the “Sai Krishna” photo was a real miracle photo, and that it was upto me to prove it’s fradulence. Having proved it, to be accused of being an ISKCON agent and creating a photo to discredit Sai Baba is truly a subject where the denial of the devotees becomes apparent. Denial? What about brainwashing? In response to that, Lisa screamed:
You’re the one who’s brainwashed. You can ONLY view things from ONE perspective because you are so brainwashed by your OWN stupidity. Facts don’t matter to you because you love your lies. You’re so perverted you think it’s funny people might die as long as it’s for a good cause you slimey [sic] piece of mud.
Taught-
This picture has surfaced again, this time attached with a different story. It is a source of constant bewilderment to me how Sai devotees thoughtlessly and recklessly indulge in mischievous propaganda in order to uplift the flagging profile of their ailing guru.

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