Wednesday, April 16, 2014

ISKCON devotees are NOT Hindus

You may call the Vedas Hindu, but "Hindu" is a foreign name. WE ARE NOT HINDUS. (Sri Isopanisad Introduction)

Simply we are teaching that “Become God conscious.” God is neither Hindu nor Muslim nor Christian. He’s God. And WE ARE ALSO NOT HINDU or Muslim or Christian. This is our bodily designation. We are all pure, part and parcel of the Supreme. (BG Lecture NY 23/11/66)

Prabhupada: (chuckles) And that mataji, she has taken land. I don't like that idea. Some Hindus are supporting. I don't want a Hindu temple. Our constitution is different. We want everyone. Krsna consciousness is for everyone. IT IS NOT A HINDU PROPOGANDA. People may not misunderstand. And actually, till now IN OUR SOCIETY THERE IS NOT A SINGLE OTHER HINDU THAN ME. (laughter) Is that not? (Meeting 9/6/69) New Vrindavana)

Lord Caitanya, He said that “I am not a brahmana. I am not a Christian. I AM NOT A HINDU. I am not a sannyasi. I am nothing of this sort.” Then what You are? “I am the servant’s servant’s servant of Krsna. That is My identification.” And when you identify yourself in that way, you are liberated. That is Krsna consciousness, perfection of Krsna consciousness. (CC Lecture New York 21/12/66)

Prabhupada: No, no. Everyone will help us. Maybe... In that way sometimes Hindus are also against. It is not the Mohammedans. Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s time, even THE HINDUS WERE AGAINST HIS MOVEMENT, the brahmanas. They complained to the Kazi that “THIS IS NOT HINDU MOVEMENT.” You see? The sankirtana movement. Therefore Kazi had to take steps to stop the sankirtana movement. So Kazi took step on the ground of complaint by the Hindus.
Nitai: That’s similar to what happened in Bombay.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Nitai: That’s similar to what happened...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Nitai: ...in Bombay.
Prabhupada: THE HINDUS THEY WANTED TO BREAK OUR TEMPLE, and they broke part of it. You do not know?
(Morning Walk 6/3/74)

Actually, “Hindu,” THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS “HINDU” RELIGION. We don’t find in the Vedic scripture. Hindu religion... Hindu religion is a modern term given by the foreigners. Actually the Indians, bharatiya, they, their religion is varnasrama-dharma, religion of four castes and four spiritual orders, four spiritual orders and four social orders. The persons who follow these four orders of social status and four orders of spiritual advancement, they are called varnasrama. SO HINDU RELIGION IS A MISCALCULATION. (CC Lecture - NY 11/1/67)

But India, they have given up the real religious system, sanatana-dharma, or varnasrama-dharma. FICTITIOUSLY, THEY HAVE ACCEPTED A HODGEPODGE THING WHICH IS CALLED HINDUISM. THEREFORE THERE IS TROUBLE.
Everywhere, but India especially, they are... Vedic religion... Vedic religion means varnasrama-dharma. That is... Krsna says, God says, catur-varnyam maya srstam [Bg. 4.13]. So that is, what is called, obligatory. Just like law is obligatory. You cannot say that “I don’t take this law.” No. You have to take it if you want to have a happy. You cannot become outlaw. Then you’ll not be happy. You’ll be punished.
So God says maya srstam. “It is given by Me.” So how we can deny it? And that is religion. (Conv. - Vrindavan 28/6/76)

Other religious sects, they say this is Hindu belief. When Krsna says dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara: just like the child is becoming boy, boy is becoming young man. This is science. AND WHY DO YOU SAY IT IS HINDU BELIEF? Does it mean that a Muslim or Christian child does not become a boy? What do you mean by Hindu belief? But they say it like that, Hindu belief. Is that correct if somebody says it is Hindu belief? NO, IT IS FACT, IT IS SCIENCE. What do you think? Is that Hindu belief?" (Tehran 8/8/76)

So where is the difficulty to understand? Plain thing. Plain thing. But we are stubborn. We do not wish to understand. This is not a sectarian; this is a science. If a child becomes a boy, is that sectarian? The Hindu child becomes a boy, Hindu boy, and the Christian child becomes a Christian. That is outward, Hindu, Muslim, Christian. But within this body... I am Hindu or Christian because I have got this body from the Christian father-mother, Hindu father-mother. But that is body. I am not this body. Therefore we have to understand first that “I am not this body. Therefore I am not Hindu, not Muslim, not Christian, not black, not white. I am pure spirit soul.” Aham brahmasmi. THIS IS THE FIRST BASIC KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS NOT SECTARIAN. This is a basic knowledge, you believe or not believe. (BG Lect. – 22/4/76 Melbourne)

In Durban we went to that university. You remember? That Arya-samaji? He was speaking that “This is Hindu conception. Hindu conception.” And what do you mean by Hindu conception? A child grows to become a boy. Is that Hindu conception? It is science. When Krsna said, dehino ’smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara [Bg.
2.13], that’s a fact. It is applicable to the Hindus, to the Muslim, to the Christian, everyone. Why do you say it is Hindu conception? SO, YOU HAVE TO PRESENT IN THAT WAY, THAT THEY MAY NOT THINK THAT IT IS HINDU CONCEPTION. Because they are all rascals, unless you explain it, that this is meant for everyone, they will misunderstand that Bhagavata is for the Hindus or for the Indians. It is for everyone. But one must realize. There is no question of Hindu conception or Muslim conception. (MW - Mayapur 20/1/76)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HINDU DHARMA. NO. There is no such word in the whole Vedic literature. You won’t find in the Bhagavad-gita or Bhagavata as Hindu dharma. There is one word as bhagavata-dharma, but there is no such word as Hindu dharma. This Hindu dharma or Hindu... This is creation by our neighbour, Indian neighbour, the Middle-east Muhammadans. They gave the name, Indian people, as “Hindu.” “Hindu” means... There is one river, Sindhu. The Muhammadans, they pronounce sa as ha. So those who were on the other side of the Sindhu River, Hindu River, they were called Hindus. But actually Vedic religion is neither for Hindus nor for Christian nor for... It is meant for the human being. Vedic literature... This Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, they are VEDIC literature.
(SB Lecture - NY 5/3/75)

Bhakti, devotional service is not dependent on any material condition. Because one man is very rich, he can get Krsna? No. Because one man is very poor, he cannot get Krsna? No. That’s not right. Because one is Hindu or Indian, he can get Krsna, not others? No. That is also not. Krsna is unconditionally for everyone. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita: sarva yonisu kaunteya [Bg. 14.4]. Otherwise, how He can be God? If He is a Hindu God, just like they describe in the dictionary that Krsna, a Hindu God—that is nonsense. Krsna is for everyone. Krsna does not say that “I am a Hindu God.’’ But these rascals say Krsna is Hindu God. This is going on. You see in the Bhagavad-gita, Krsna says, sarva yonisu kaunteya [Bg.14.4]. “In all species of life.’’ Sambhavanti murtayah. There are as many different forms of life. Tasam mahad yoni, brahma: “Their mother is this material nature, and I am their seed-giving father.’’ Krsna says that. So how can Krsna be Indian or Hindu or this or that? No. Krsna is for everyone. And the proof is that five years ago in the Western countries nobody knew what is Krsna. How they’re taking Krsna in so loving attitude? This is the proof that Krsna is for everyone, and everyone is for Krsna. Try to understand this philosophy. Don’t be mislead. IT IS NOT A SECTARIAN RELIGION. IT IS THE FACT. (Arrival Lecture - Gainsville 29/7/71)

So that activity and karmis’ activity, there is difference. The karmi’s activity is on upadhi. “I am American,” “I am Indian,” “I am Hindu,” “I am Muslim,” “I am Christian.” With this upadhi, we are acting. But bhakti means without upadhi. Sarvopadhi-virnirmuktam. Activity without upadhi. Working not as American. Working not as Indian. Working not as Hindu. Working not as Muslim. That is sarvopadhi-vinirmuktah tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. If we think that “I am Christian,” “I am Hindu,” “I am American,” that is with upädhi. When we purely think that “We are...,” or “I am servant of Krsna. My only business is to satisfy Krsna,” that activity is called bhakti. If I become interested in some party, that is not... Sometimes people criticize these American and European devotees, that they think that “They are American devotee; we are Hindu devotee. There is difference.” This is not bhakti-marga. This is upadhi. Why you should think yourself as Hindu? Why you should think of others who have come from America as American? That is less intelligent. Krsna-bhakta...
Vaisnave jati-buddhih. If one thinks of Vaisnava as belonging to this class, this nation, he has no vision. Naraki. That is called naraki-buddhih. Vaisnave jati-buddhih arcye siladhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnave jati-buddhih. If we think the Deity as made of stone and made of wood, arcye sila-dhir; guruhu, nara-matih, if we accept spiritual master as ordinary human being; vaisnave jati-buddhih, and if we take a Vaisnava as belonging to America or Europe or India... No. They are transcendental. Neither the Deity in the temple is stone, NEITHER THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ORDINARY HUMAN BEING, NOR THE VAISNAVA BELONGS TO ANY CASTE. This vision is perfect vision. When you come to this vision, that is bhakti. Tat-paratvena nirmalam. A bhakta has to become purified. Tat-paratvena, being dovetailed with the service of tat, om tat sat. Tat-param. This is the process of devotional service. One should not be designated “I am this,” “I am that,” “I am that.” No. The world should unite. This Krsna consciousness movement is so nice that one should forget that he’s Indian or Hindu or Christian or American. Everything should unite as servant of Krsna.
That is bhakti-marga. (NOD Class - Vrindavan 1/11/72)

Gopala Krsna: They are saying, they are saying we are not Hindus.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Gopala Krsna: They are saying this is not Hinduism.
Prabhupada: Hindus?, we are Krsnian. It they, if...
Hansaduta: Krsnans.
Prabhupada: Krsna, in the dictionary it is said, that Hindu God but we are claiming, that Krsnian, Krsna. Krsna conscious. Krsna conscious means “Godder than the Hindus.” When you say we are not Hindu that we are not restricted with the Hindi community. That is the meaning. Because Krsna says, “I am for everyone.” So why should we be restricted to the Hindi community. Krsna says sarva yonisu, “In all forms of life, I am the seed giving father.” Why he should be simply Hindu? This point should be stressed. Sarva yoni means eighty four million..., eighty, eighty, eight million four hundred thousands, all forms. Krsna is for all of them. We therefore, why Krsna should be restricted to the Hindu community? Hindus are included but Krsna is not restricted to Hindus. Krsna’s picture, that Bal Gopal. He’s embracing the calves. Krsna does not embrace only the gopis, He’s embracing the calves also. That is Krsna. He’s equal to everyone. Mah hi partha vyapasritya ye ’pi syuh papa-yonayah. Papa-yonayah, so many low-grade forms of life, they’re also His.... Devotees are part and parcel. Mamaivamso ji... Quote this: Krsna is not restricted to the Hindu. We say, “We are not Hindu,” means we are not.... We embrace everyone. We are not restricted to the Hindus. The so-called Christians, so-called Mohammedans, they.... We embrace everyone, and actually we are doing that. Why should we simply be compact within the limitation of Hindus. That is not our purpose. Then we would not have come to western countries. We actually spreading universal brotherhood. Krsna is the father and everyone our brother. We are claiming, all our fallen brothers to become Krsna conscious. This is our movement. Caitanya Mahaprabhu (said) prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama, this is our movement. Why you should be restricted, to the India, and amongst the Hindus. (Room Conv. - Vrindavana 2/11/76)

So sad-dharma required. The, in this material world the so-called dharmas, this Hindu dharma, Muslim dharma and Christian dharma and Buddhist dharma and so many... They are not sad-dharma. They are asad-dharma. “Because I am born in the family of a Christian, I am Christian.” “Because I am born in the family of Hindu, I am Hindu.” And next time I may (be) born in the family of a dog. There is no dharma. So these are not sad-dharma. These are all asad-dharma, for the time being. Asad means “that will not stay.” You are Hindu. How long you are Hindu? Say, fifty years. Or you are Indian. How long you are Indian? Say, fifty, sixty, hundred years. But again you have to become something else. That we do not know. We are working very hard, “I am Hindu,” “I am Muslim,” “I am Indian,” “I am American.” These upadhi. But the upadhi may be changed next moment. At any moment. So what is your real dharma? This is temporary dharma for the body. What is your real dharma? Real dharma is sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. That is sad-dharma. That is sad-dharma. That will continue eternally. (SB Lect - Bombay 11/11/74)

This is the position. We are many, and God is one. So if we accept one God, then where is the chance of different religious system? God is one. God is neither Christian nor Hindu or Muslim or... No. God is God. Just like gold. Gold is gold. Either in the Hindu community, or Muslim community, gold is gold. Because gold is there in some Hindu community, nobody says “Hindu gold.” Does anybody say, “It is Hindu gold” or “It is Christian gold”? No. Gold is gold. Similarly, God is one. There is no “Hindu God” or “Muslim God” or “Christian God.” This is mistake. “We believe God in this way...,” that is nonsense. No. God is one, and you have to see what is the characteristic of God. Just like when it is gold, everyone wants to see whether it is actually gold or imitation gold. That we have to see. There cannot be Hindu gold, Muslim gold, Christian gold. No. Simply you have to see whether it is actually gold, acceptable. That should be the subject matter of theology, to know actually what is God and to understand what is our relationship with God. (SB Lecture - LA 26/6/75)

Prabhupada: Everyone should understand God and the relationship with God and act accordingly. Then it is perfect religion. And if there is no conception of God, no carrying out order of the God, that is not religion. That is cheating. But generally they do not accept God—still, he is stamping himself that “I am Hindu,” “I am Muslim,” “I am Christian.” He has no idea what is God, how to abide by His order, and they are fighting that “I am Christian and you are Hindu. Therefore we must fight.” This is going on. Nobody understands what is God. Pseudo religion. Practically there is no religion. If there is no government—you make your law; I make my law—then how there will be peace? That is the position. They do not understand what is God, and “I am Christian” or “Hindu” or “Mohammedan, so let us fight.” That’s all.
Dr. Kneupper: Do you think that there is a special way that Hinduism looks upon man’s place in the universe?
Prabhupada: The Hindu religion is a vague term. It is a vague term. It is not clear. It is not clear. Real term is, it is called, Vedic principle. Vedic principle. And in the Bhagavad-gita it is said: Vedic knowledge means to understand God. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15]. So anyone who tries to understand God, he is in the Vedic line. Veda means knowledge, so as you get the stock of knowledge, that is called Vedas. But as soon as we say Vedas, they think it is Hindu. Mathematics is a science. So any scientific man will accept mathematics. Where is the question of Hindu mathematics? Gold is gold. If it is in the hand of Hindu, it is Hindu gold? Hindu, Muslim gold? Gold is gold. When we give the Vedic knowledge, they think it is Hindu idea. (Room Conv. –Vrindavana 6/11/76)

So at the present moment, being entrapped by the material nature, we have accepted different types of dharmas. That is artificial. That is artificial. “I am Hindu,” “I am Muslim,” “I am Christian,” “I am Buddhist,” “I am this,” “I am that.” These are all in relationship with this body. Accidentally if I am born in a Hindu family, or Muslim family, or Christian family, I identify myself, “I am Hindu,” “I am Muslim,” “I am Christian.” But real identification is, as I have already explained to you, aham brahmasmi, I am Brahman. I am the spirit soul. (SB Lect. – Hyderebad 26/11/72)


Mahamsa: THEY WILL SAY THAT THIS KRSNA CULTURE IS HINDUISM.
Prabhupada: THEN HE’S A RASCAL. PROVE IT IN THE COURT. KRSNA IS NOT HINDUISM. NEVER.... Is there anything in the Bhagavad-gita that Krsna says, “I am for the Hindus or for the Indians”?
Acyutananda: The Hindu law is so elastic, anyone who calls himself a Hindu or who practices any branch...
Mahamsa: Or puts on tilaka.
Acyutananda: Puts on tilaka, he may have the lowest character or the highest standard, anyone, he will be all considered a Hindu.
Prabhupada: So this should be taken to court, on the Supreme Court.
Harikesa: But if there is no definition of Hindu, how can you prove...
Prabhupada: THERE IS NO HINDU. It is not.... THEREFORE WE ARE NOT HINDU.
Acyutananda: Well, they’ll say, “This is our definition. This is what we say a Hindu is.”
Prabhupada: Huh?
Acyutananda: The court says, “This is what we say a Hindu is. SO YOU’RE HINDUS.”
Prabhupada: NO, NO. And court can say anything, but then why not put it into the judgment of many judges?
Harikesa: Then we have to establish what is Hinduism...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: ...and what is Krsna consciousness.
Acyutananda: It is already established.
Prabhupada: You can define anything. That does not mean that your definition is perfect. Actually we have to.... Who...? Suppose Hindu. So who is not accepting Bhagavad-gita? But where is...? In the Bhagavad-gita where is the mention of “Hindu”? Hm? Krsna says that “I am the father of all living entities.” So WHY DO THEY SAY THAT THIS IS HINDUISM?
Acyutananda: “Well, all religions say that they are the best. Jesus Christ says, ‘Everyone who comes to me, they will get the grace of God.’ So the same thing. But still they are Christians and you are Hindus.”
Prabhupada: So this cannot stay in the court. Krsna’s instruction is not for the Hindus. Nowhere it is mentioned.
Tamala Krsna: The word “Hindu” doesn’t appear in the Vedas anywhere.
Acyutananda: Then why do you use in the Krsna consciousness the Hindu caste marks, Hindus caste marks and tilakas? This is all Hinduism.
Prabhupada: NO, THIS IS NOT HINDUISM. Appears like Hindu. Just like you appear like an Indian sannyasi, but you are not Indian.
Acyutananda: The judge is wearing a white wig and a British suit. He’s not British either.
Prabhupada: No, we are clearly stating Krsna consciousness.
Harikesa: Yes, but Krsna is a Hindu god.
Prabhupada: That is your definition. Krsna doesn’t say.
Harikesa: But my definition counts ’cause I’m in charge.
Prabhupada: You can do any nonsense. That is....
Therefore you have to be taken to the court, that “How you can...”
Tamala Krsna: But they are the court.
Prabhupada: “...talk like nonsense and do like nonsense? Then anyone can do any nonsense thing? Then who will control you?”
Harikesa: That’s the point.
Mahamsa: The chief justice himself was saying like that in Madras. Their opinion will come in their favor.
Prabhupada: No, they can give opinion, but there is supreme court. There is international court. We shall go...
Mahamsa: International court?
Gopala Krsna: That’s only for disputes between countries, international court.
Prabhupada: Yes, it is country—”We are American. They are forcing us to become a Hindu.” This is between country. You have to tackle with intelligence.
Mahamsa: It’s become a world issue.
Acyutananda: In most books about Hinduism they describe that Hinduism is a cult where they worship many gods and ultimately God is formless.
Prabhupada: No.
Acyutananda: So we are against that. Then we are not Hindus even philosophically according to that.
Prabhupada: Yes. We are against all so-called cheating religion. THE HINDUISM IS ALSO A CHEATING RELIGION. We are preaching Bhagavata, and Bhagavata beginning that “We have kicked out all cheating religion.” What is cheating religion? That one has to understand. And Bhagavata says, dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam:
[SB 6.3.19] “Religion means the order given by God.”
If you do not know who is God, “imperson,” then where is your religion? We have to tackle things.
Gopala Krsna: They will consult all the standard dictionaries about Krsna’s definition and all the...
Prabhupada: Dictionary is not the standard. The standard is the book itself. That is our preaching.
You may bring some dictionary made by some fools. No.
We have to take reference. Therefore we are presenting Bhagavad-gita As It Is.
Acyutananda: Well, even Jesus Christ just said, “I am for all,” but there is Christianity.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is a fact. Either God or God’s representative, He is for everyone. Suhrdah sarva-bhutanam. That is the definition of sadhu.
Titikaavah karunikah suhrdah sarva-bhutanam. A saintly person..., as God is for everyone, a saintly person is for everyone. Why he should be for Hindu or Muslim or Christian? That is the definition of saintly person.
Suhrdah. Suhrdah means well-wisher. So either Christ or any Vaisnava, he is well-wisher for everyone.
[break] ...suhrdah sarva-bhutanam. We are preaching all over the world and they are appreciating.
Harikesa: So many others have preached Hinduism but have no result.
Prabhupada: No result. Why they should become Hindu?
Acyutananda: That sign is there, “Swami Vivekananda, the Hindu monk.”
Prabhupada: But who cares for Ramakrishna Mission?
Hindu monk, but who cares for the Ramakrishna Mission?
For the last eighty-five years they are working. How many Hindus they have made? Simply bogus propaganda.
They advertise that “We have made all Americans...”
But where the Americans? They picked up two American ladies, that’s all. Where is the Hindu sadhus eating meat? [break]…
Prabhupada: Foreign devotees, they are joining this movement not because it is a Hindu culture. They take it as a real spiritual culture. Otherwise why, for the last hundred, two hundred years, the Hindu sannyasis, yogis, were going there? Who did accept it? Did anybody? (Morning Walk - 08/01/76)

This led to a long discussion whether our ISKCON temples could also be taken over. If they could, it would be on the basis of their being "Hindu" temples. So Srila Prabhupada, in order to avoid any government interference, suggested that we register the temples as American property. Apart from that, he said WE ARE NOT HINDU. The word Hindu isn't in the Bhagavad-gita, and the teachings of Bhagavad-gita are for everyone, not just Hindus. SRILA PRABHUPADA STRONGLY EMPHASIZED THIS POINT AND EVEN SAID THAT WE COULD GO TO COURT TO PROVE WE ARE NOT HINDUS. (Conversation 6/1/76 Anbdhra Pradesh - Hari Sauri Dasa –ATD)

Mahesh: The other Swamiji, Swami Kaivalya does not know English. You have heard of Swami Kaivalya?
Prabhupada: No, what is his philosophy? He is Vaisnava?
Mahesh: Hmmm, I think he is not Vaisnava. But actually, in our Hindu religion, all paths are same and all is one.
Prabhupada: All is one? So we can just take your building?
Mahesh: Ummm. Actually, Swamiji, there are many Hindu families here in Kobe. They are all interested in seeing you. All have heard of the famous Hare Krsna Swamiji. And everyone will be coming tonight. If the program is successful, they can support one Hindu temple for your devotees to run in Kobe.
Prabhupada: WHAT IS THIS HINDU? HINDU MEANS HODGE-PODGE. All is one. This is nonsense. Where is the word “Hindu” mentioned in Sastra? In Bhagavad-gita? In Vedas? Anywhere? Where is this “Hindu” mentioned even one time? Anyplace? One place?
Mahesh: Ummm.
Prabhupada: [To Mr. Santanam.]: You are born in a brahmana family. Any one place? No, this Hindu is a name given by Mohammedans. They cannot pronounce Indus River, so they are calling those on the other side Hindus in their own pronunciation. You know this? [Pause.] You don’t know. But you can learn. To learn, one must approach a bona fide spiritual master and hear from him. This is the process. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya. We must serve him and inquire from him. Then he will train us to see the truth. By training we can develop.
M. Santanam: Swamiji, who is real guru?
Prabhupäda: A guru knows Krsna.
Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena. His eyes are decorated with love of Krsna. He can see Krsna everywhere. Become trained by such a spiritual master, and then you will understand everything. WE ARE NOT HINDUS, AND WE ARE NOT TRAINING THESE BOYS TO BECOME HINDUS. We are training them to love Krsna, God. (SP Conversation Japan 1972 - Bhurijana Dasa MGM)

So this is the warm invitation of Krishna Consciousness. It has nothing to do with black or white, young or old, or believe me, Christian or Jew or Hindu or anything like that. We consider these to be as much a part of false ego—Christian, Hindu, Jew—as we do black, white, young, old, man or woman. Because they were delegated to this body—I'm born in a Christian family, I call myself a Christian; I'm born in a Hindu family, I call myself a Hindu—so because of this body I'm a Hindu, because of this body I'm a Jew, and if I was born a million years ago would I be a Hindu, Christian or Jew? No. But I'd still be a servant, I'd still have my consciousness. See? Suppose you're born a hundred thousand years from now? Are you going to be a Christian or a Hindu or a Jew? No. But you'll still have your consciousness, you'll still have to serve, and you'll still want to be happy.
(VISNUJANA SWAMI - Festival Address Oregon 1/6/75)

Wednesday, April 9, 2014

Iskcon's non-devotional activities Exposed: Part 2

In the Part 1 (click here) of our explosive coverage of the non-devotional activities from iskcon Durban, now a new temple stands tall exposing themself of being totally non-devotional. The new temple i am talking about is located in Alachua, Florida, United States. The recently held Holi celebration called "Festival of Colors" not only showed how non-devotional they can be but also showed us how collect money for it which is 10$.
The reason iskcon truth is making a big voice about this is because prabhupada never gave permission to do non-devotional activities in iskcon. In the first part we have posted how Prabhupada would not even sanction putting a different deity form of Krsna on the Ratha cart as authorized.
This is a TRAVESTY to HDG Srila Prabhupada to allow such events in ISKCON and to do it without any consideration for what Srila Prabhupada would have to say about this kind of so-called 'preaching'. Moreover, we suspect this is not the end, and there will be more compromises to Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON, as there is not one GBC man or woman who has stood up to defend Prabhupada's ISKCON's way of preaching, and His Instructions on rock music and deviations and change in ISKCON. Kali has again sneaked into ISKCON, this time under the pretense of preaching at so-called Holi 'Festival of Colors'.
Check out these pictures and videos from  'Festival of Colors' and decide for yourself. See how they sing and dance lords name, srila prabhupada would never ever allow this in iskcon.



ISKCON worldwide celebrates Ram Navami

Ram Navami celebration at ISKCON Amravati temple. Sri Radha Krishna dressed as Lord Rama chandra and Sita

Ram Navami celebration at ISKCON Bangalore temple. Sri Krishna Balaram dressed as Lord Rama chandra and Lakshmana

Ram Navami celebration at Bhaktivedanta Manor temple, London.
Ram Navami celebration at ISKCON Chowpatty temple.
Ram Navami celebration at ISKCON Durban temple.

Ram Navami celebration at ISKCON Mumbai temple.

Monday, April 7, 2014

Should ISKCON Devotees vote in upcoming indian elections?

Should a devotee vote during political elections? A devotee knows that the candidate he is voting will be running many sinful institutions like liquor bars. By voting for him, is a devotee responsible for that sin? But at the same time that candidate might be representing a political party who is against cow-slaughter and so voting for him is better than voting for someone else. The question comes up because voting is considered a social responsibility and if devotees categorically ignore it, it gives one more reason to people to stay away from Krsna Consciousness. Does ISKCON have clear guidelines about this issue?
 

In the Mahabharath, Lord Krishna describes in 8.49.49 that nahi sarvam vidhiyate, there is not a rule for everything. So scriptures give us broad guide lines for how we need to act in lives but every individual has his own circumstances, his own psychophysical nature and accordingly that individual will have to act accordingly taking into consideration his or her nature and circumstances. So there cannot be any standard legislative sort of answer for the question of whether devotees should vote or not.

In general the Krishna conscious way of live gives us broad principles for guiding our life but there will hundreds of decisions that we will have to make in our lives which to the extent we have internalized the scriptural principles, to that extent we will be able to understand, this is the way I should act and this is why may be it is not in the best interests to act so what the scriptures offer us is a general map but each of us has to in a sense tread a path that is individual to us, the general compass and the direction in which we have to go and the overall terrain is given to us because everyone is individual and in individual circumstances the path to some extent that we have to follow is individual.

So we can observe the political situation around us and may be look at the candidates who are there and based on that whoever is endorsing principles that are conducive to devotional service, we can vote for them. So it’s not a general endorsement to vote for one particular party but we will may have to make a issue based or stand based decision based on the particular desha kala patra that is there. So in general there is a candidate or a party that is broadly supporting or atleast allowing devotional principles to go on, then in general devotees will naturally want to endorse that through their own vote. So the broad principle again is anukulye sa sankalpa praticulye sa varjana, accept what is favorable, reject what is unfavourable. So of course the practical application may vary according to time place circumstance.

Additionally to understand this answer more clearly we also have to see it in the broad perspective, voting is considered to be a public responsibility and negligence of that may also alienate intelligent people or thoughtful people in society, making them think that devotees are socially irresponsible they lack a sense of civic conscience or civic accountability so depending on our specific friends circle we don’t have to make a issue. We don’t have to become campaigners that all devotees should vote or all devotees should not vote. We have to see the specific circumstance that we are in and then we decide that and as far as the karma is concerned some devotees have the idea that if we vote for a particular political candidate and if that candidate sets up enterprises that involve breaking the regulative principles then will we also get a part of the karma, I feel that this whole idea of we getting karma from others is a slippery slope and we don’t have to bother too much about that. That way if we start going down that slope, next thing we may ask is if a baby is crying does the mother by offering the breast feed to the baby and then the baby grows up and becomes a law breaker, does the mother get the karma for having offered the breast milk, no that’s the mother’s duty.

So the karmic consideration need not be a primary consideration over here because that way in society whatever we do is having some sort of karmic implication unless it’s a explicit violation of the four regulative principles we don’t have to bother too much about the karmic considerations. We can focus primarily on the devotional considerations and see whatever is favourable for our own practice of devotional service, for the continued practice and possibly of expansion of the devotional culture in the broader society and based on that we can decide whether we should vote and if we vote for whom we should vote.

So regarding the democracy some devotees have a simplistic sort of dismissal of the whole democratic system by saying that Srila Prabhupada said democracy is demoncrazy, so some devotees may also say that democracy is government of the sudras, for the sudras and by the sudras and this is actually a caricature of Abraham Lincoln’s famous statement, government of the people, for the people and by the people. So now these sort of statements represent only the most high octane, high decibels, sound bytes that Srila Prabhupada has spoken. Srila Prabhupada has also given in His purports a more ____________ balanced understanding of democracy also and if we look at the way Srila Prabhupada implemented things, Srila Prabhupada established the GBC which operates on democratic principles. Whenever there are issues to be discussed and if there is not a general consensus that comes then the GBC votes and that voting is based on democratic principles. Now of course sometimes it is said that among educated intelligent people if there is voting then all of them are thoughtful and based on that thoughtfulness they are voting. So a council of brahmanas, if they vote then a democracy among them is meaningful because they are moving the issues properly and after moving the issues then they are voting where as most of the time generally people neither they know the issues nor they understand the broad principles of life and therefore their votes are not so valuable. This is a valued argument, at the same time this doesn’t mean that the whole system of democracy is negated, the same Abraham Lincoln who said that democracy is the government of the people, for the people and by the people, he also acknowledged that democracy is a terrible form of government but the best among all terrible forms of government.

There are various ways of looking at it one is certainly people can become corrupt but because they know that they don’t have perpetual power, so they can’t become absolutely corrupt and continue on the corruption for a whole life time. If we had a system for training and developing principled leaders like Maharaj Yudhistir, Maharaj Parikshit then the system of royal monarchy was certainly the best but in the modern society democracy does seem to be the form of government that is the most conducive for the practice and the propagation of Krishna consciousness. What are the alternatives to the democracy as a political system in today’s society. We have theocracy and we have communism so theocracy is present primarily in the Arabic world and there, there is no possibility for outreach of Krishna consciousness, even the devotees when they practice their own Krishna consciousness who are there for work or whatever they have to practice it mostly indoors, so they cannot practice, do any public practice of devotional service and even in communalism which was also not democratic so we know from books like salted bread how much devotees were tortured and had to suffer persecution under the communist government, even today in china with the communist government, sharing of Krishna consciousness is illegal.

On the other hand in the countries in the world where there is democracy  is America, Europe, South America, Australia devotees have the facility to share Krishna consciousness with the world. So of course generally democracy is also associated with materialism but the point is that we do have the facility for practicing Krishna consciousness and sharing Krishna consciousness much more in a democratic setup than in any other alternative political system that we have. So that’s why from the realistic point of view. So I gave Prabhupada’s example first that He introduced GBC from the practical analysis of the whole situation that the democratic system that is helping us to share Krishna consciousness and Srila Prabhupada also talked about how eventually the hope is that we would have some sort of Krishna conscious government of course in modern society there is a great fear of theocracy because theocracy means the government by religious principles and people feel afraid that this would become religious fanaticism and that’s because the majority religions in the world, especially Islam and Christianity, these are the two main religions based on which people have seen in recent history religious governments and Europe has been plagued for centuries from the 15th , 16th centuries onwards to the 18th century there was a hundred year war between the protestants and the catholics and thousands and thousands of people were slaughtered just based on the religious faith and similar there were the crusades between Muslims and Christians.

So whenever religious governments has been there in the recent historical memory that has been accompanied by unfortunate excesses and that’s why many people shuddered at the thought of a theocracy in the world. So of course Krishna consciousness recognizes various religions and criteria is not affiliation with a particular faith but alignment with broad universal spiritual principles. So Srila Prabhupada said that if in the future we have a Krishna conscious government there will be different religious faiths and they will also be allowed to practice and they would be facilitated in their practice also to some extent. So Srila Prabhupada would give the example that just as there are different businesses and when the government is there the government oversees and facilitates various businesses. So various religions are in one sense spiritual businesses not in terms of making commercial profit through the spirituality but it’s spiritual pursuit that they achieve through the various religions and there has to be a broad overseeing facilitation by the government so that people can practice, people are actually practicing what their sacred religions are telling them.

So in that sense a broad god conscious government which is based on the universal principles of the four pillars of dharma as we know which are actually universal qualities that is kindness, forgiveness basically that four qualities that are associated with no meat eating, no gambling, no intoxication, on illicit sex. So those qualities are the four pillars of dharma and a god conscious government will uphold those principles. So if there is a god conscious government like that how will that come up. So Srila Prabhupada basically gave two examples in general in His books, one is He said that we may have a significant number of people in the society becoming devotees and then they may elect a devotional government or they may atleast have some legislators who are devotees and they can influence the policy to some extent and alternatively He said that there may be a powerful head of state who may become devotionally minded and through him the devotional culture can also spread and Srila Prabhupada actually in His own life tried both.

In America and Australia Srila Prabhupada inspired His disciples to start a political party, it was called “In god we trust party” and there were several devotees who joined in that party and they did a good amount of campaigning and Srila Prabhupada was very positive about the whole thing but eventually Balavanth Prabhu was there, Amarendra Prabhu was there all these devotees were there and they did some campaigning and they said that if we get elected actually we will actually___________ the four regulative principles and Srila Prabhupada told them one advantage of having politics is that you can criticize people as much as you want and nobody can criticize you for criticizing others. So Srila Prabhupada in that sense encouraged those devotees to be in politics but then eventually the financial implications of being in politics were too much and the shear amount of expenditure required to launch effective campaigns and do promotion. Srila Prabhupada decided that the lakshmi that could be used for direct outreach of Krishna consciousness should not be directed towards political purposes. So then later on Balavanth Prabhu came and met Srila Prabhupada, Prabhupada are you no longer enthusiastic about our devotee political party. Prabhupada said I am more enthusiastic but don’t ask me for any money and then that was the end of the whole thing but the devotees did get some experience over there and Prabhupada encouraged it.

So Srila Prabhupada’s idea if we understand from the experiences that He wanted Krishna consciousness movement to primarily focus on sharing Krishna consciousness with the world and along with that some devotees if they have the vigor and the resources can also try to enter into the political system by which they can share Krishna consciousness with the world through creating political reform and appropriate long term spiritually harmonized governing principles. On the other model, so here Srila Prabhupada said that we can use the democratic system and thereby campaign get votes and try to have devotees elected and Srila Prabhupada when He had the opportunity to meet Indira Gandhi He came to India. He dropped of His tour from America partially and came back to India and because Indira Gandhi at that time was under stress because of the recent assassination of Mujibhur Rehman and she was apprehensive that she might be assassinated, so she was distracted and so Srila Prabhupada couldn’t talk much with her but in whatever He talked with her, whatever He had planned to talk with her, He had written in a small diary and in that diary the contents were eventually available for devotees and that is also given in Lilamrt and Srila Prabhupada basically was encouraging her, was going to urge her to use her power to bring in god consciousness in the administration of India.

So in that sense Srila Prabhupada was open to both models of sharing Krishna consciousness through the political system either going from bottom up through elections or going from top down through influencing the top politicians. So either way Srila Prabhupada was open for that and that’s why we don’t have to minimize or deride democracy as demoncrazy. What alternative do we have in the current world society for us. So overall Srila Prabhupada’s attitude in sharing Krishna consciousness is pragmatic. Pragmatic means use whatever works. So we are not here in this world to capture power or impose our own religion on others but we want that there should be broad respiritualisation of society so that people don’t get their spiritual inclinations and spiritual prospects don’t get slaughtered by rampant materialism and whatever is required for that, we will do that. So with this broad principle and mind devotees can individually decide how best they can use their small but significant votes to further the long term vision that Srila Prabhupada had. So that may be by voting for a particular political party, that may be by voting for some other party  at some other time or that may be by choosing not to vote. Actually according to the Indian constitution atleast according to some interpretations of the clause there is suppose to be in every election, a clause that if the voters don’t like any of these candidates then they can tick that option and if a substantial number of voters tick that option then actually none of the candidates will be selected and the parties will have to nominate other candidates who are respectable enough to attract the trust of the voters but usually that clause is not applied for whatever reasons and that’s why that option is not there but eventually if that option comes up then devotees can even use that option to ensure that parties feel candidates with some basic level of moral integrity and in this way whatever be the specific situation for a particular devotee using desh kala patra the time place circumstance devotees can arrive at individual decisions about how they should arrange to use the power of their vote in Krishna’s service.

Is ISKCON supporting a life member & Bollywood Actress Hema Malini?

Veteran Bollywood actress and a life member of ISKCON Srimati Hema Malini is declared a candidate for a pro-Hindutva party—Bhartiya Janta Party (BJP). Srimati Hema Malini (Born 16 October 1948) is an Indian actress, director, producer, and accomplished Bharatanatyam dancer. She is well known for the roles in Hindi cinema. Earlier, she was elected twice to upper house of the parliament of India as a BJP candidate. 
She is a staunch supporter of ISKCON’s mission and never gives a miss to any ISKCON events. Her daughters’ marriages were solemnized at ISKCON Temple, Juhu, Mumbai.
"I would like to facelift Mathura as per by Srila Prabhupada wishes".—Hema Malini, BJP Candidate said in an interview.
If elected to the parliament, she will represent Mathura and will support to BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Shri. Narendra Modi. Shri. Modi is a Chief Minister of Gujarat and a fan of ISKCON too. Shri released Gujarati version of Radhanath Swami’s autobiography ‘Pele Par No Pravas’ in 2011. 
Does ISKCON secretly endorsing her in mathura/vrindavan? some of the devotees from iskcon vrindavan has confirmed that many of iskcon devotees and followers are supporting her because she is an iskcon member. Does ISKCON following or falling into the trap of Hindutva or is there any secret deal between the politicians. ISKCON TRUTH asks "Is ISKCON playing a part in the worlds largest elections? is this correct for iskcon devotees?
Devotees can answer us below 

Thursday, April 3, 2014

BBTi and the stolen Copyright Record

In 1995 the BBTi, an imposter organisation, which has nothing to do with Srila Prabhupada’s original BBT, tried to steal the BBTs copyrights, by faking a "transfer of copyrights" in order to illegally usurp the BBT.
On the left side, the image shown is of the first page of the copyright record of Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad-Gita As It Is (can be seen in point 1). These copyright records are submitted and are stored with US Copyright Office in DC. This is where authors generally register a copyright to protect their works from being used unauthorizedly. This record acts as an ownership proof. Srila Prabhupada's books were being copyrighted here since 1968. Copyrights are governed by US Federal Laws.
Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad-Gita As It Is was first registered in 1968, the paperback version. The McMillan edition was registered here in 1972. Later when BBT editors unauthorizedly modified the Gita, that was also registered here. All the while the owner of the copyright, one who owns the book, was BBT. And the author was listed as His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Then in 1995 it was all changed. BBTI, another legal entity only formed in 1988 with no connection to BBT, stole these copyrights through a fake transfer of copyright to it. The new copyright record of BG As It Is, that you see to your left, was registered in 1995. You can click on the images to see the full record, view page one & page two in the picture below
Quiz: Please find the name of Srila Prabhupada in the copyright record!
Ans: You cannot! Author has been replaced by BBT (Point 2 a) , and this work was made by "Worker for Hire" (ticked "yes" box below the Author line).
In effect what this copyright record signifies is that Bhagavad Gita As It Is was authored by the BBT, which hired Srila Prabhupada as its worker!
Would you like to do something about this insult to Srila Prabhupada? Would you like to do something about this Great Theft?
Yes, there is a movement now underway to force BBTI to give these stolen copyrights backto Srila Prabhupada's BBT where Srila Prabhupada will be acknowledged and revered as its author.
Please Spread this Info to all your friends, who might not know about it.


The BBT is NOT the BBTI 
A short history of the BBT

Srila Prabhupada writes:
Memorandum to All ISKCON Centers
My dear disciples,
Please accept my blessings. Now that our ISKCON is growing into a huge, world wide organization, it has come to my attention that sometimes centers are printing my literature, taking collection and spending all outside the jurisdiction of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. This must not go on.
I specifically formed the BBT to invest in it exclusive rights for the printing of all literature containing my teachings, writings and lectures. In this way the collections are to be divided fifty percent for printing new books and fifty percent for construction of temples.
The BBT can authorize a center to print, as in the case of foreign translations, with the agreement that when the foreign printing becomes financially solvent they will pay royalties to the BBT. But all printing of ISKCON literature must be by the BBT or under their sanction and approval.
If temples print independently it will be at the cost of the books I am, myself printing, and could eventually cause the financial ruin of the BBT, meaning I could not order new books from the printer or have sufficient funds for construction of temple projects.
I trust this is now clear and you will all do the needful. If you have any questions in this matter you can write me directly or consult with the GBC representative. (Letter to: All ISKCON Centers - Vrindaban 14 March, 1974)
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This is a very interesting letter from Srila Prabhupada, with many interesting points. One of which that stands out predominantly is, Prabhupada has said "jurisdiction of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust." The word jurisdiction has a very specific meaning and that meaning is of a legal nature.
The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust has been abandoned by the devotees now publishing the changed books of Jayadvaita Swami and Dravida and company. Furthermore they have taken shelter of a bogus concocted unauthorized organization masquerading as the BBT, under the name of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International (BBTI) and doggedly refuse to keep in print for mass distribution the authorized approved original books of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
But Krishna Books Inc. (KBI) has made its divinely orchestrated appearance to save the day and it is fitting the specific criterion Srila Prabhupada has established of who is authorized to Print his books. KBI Is directly licensed and authorized under the direct jurisdictionof the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (as is mentioned in this letter) to print and distribute Srila Prabhupada's authorized original books and is doing so under the BBT's  sanction and approval (as is specifically outlined in this official letter).
It is important to understand the history of the BBT, the BBTI and the BBP so I will make a very brief history outline for the benefit of us all:
Srila Prabhupada established the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (BBT) on May 5th 1972, founded by Srila Prabhupada for publishing, protecting and preserving his transcendental literary works meant to bring about a revolution in the impious life of a misdirected civilization. Srila Prabhupada, understanding the age we are in, and the state of his disciples, specifically meant this legal trust to not have any connection with ISKCON in-case the society failed, his books would survive unchanged, intact and continue to be read and distributed.
Then 11 years after Srila Prabhupada's disappearance, members of the ‘GBC’ lead by Harikesa Swami met in 1986 and conspired to dissolve the BBT  by establishing two unauthorized, impostor, concocted organizations called the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International (BBTI) (notice the name is almost exactly the same, only the ‘International’ has been added) to transfer the copy rights into. The other, called the Bhaktivedanta Book Publishing (BBP) to transfer all the assets/funds into.
Luckily they failed to transfer the copy rights to their new bogus BBTI organization. But now having two new organizations that are fully under their control and not at all bound to any of the laws and rules for the members of Srila Prabhupada's BBT that Srila Prabhupada established, they secretly used this new unauthorized organization to conduct all their affairs through.
After this insidious attempt at hijacking, all the books that have been produced and distributed by the BBTI were still presented as if they were printed under Prabhupada's BBT. Of course this is a lie that helped conceal what had taken place, keeping the general community of devotees in the dark - who will protest to something unknown?
This went on for years without being discovered by any one until recently.
This is an important point because the BBTI (not the BBT) hold the copyrights for the unauthorized books published by Jayadvaita and company, not Srila Prabhupada's authorized original books! The copyrights for the original books are now still safe in Prabhupada's original BBT and have never been transferred to the BBTI. The books published by the BBTI are not the books referred to in the letter above! They are unauthorized books published by Jayadvaita and company. According to the letter written by Srila Prabhupada above we should not be distributing/buying their books, sending them money or supporting these two unauthorized organizations in any way.
The unauthorized, impostor, concocted organizations BBTI and BBP have nothing at all to do with Srila Prabhupada’s original BBT established in 1972.
The BBTI now, due to legal manipulations, is masquerading/Doing Business As (DBA) the BBT and have befooled the whole movement, and for all practical purposes put the BBT to sleep. The BBTI is now the organization printing books that the innocent uninformed cheated book distributers are ignorantly supporting. The BBP is where all the funds go that are supposed to go to BBT. When someone writes a check out to the BBT it is quietly funneled off to the BBP instead. That means that if your now buying changed books from the BBTI and paying for them in trust that your money is going where Srila Prabhupada wanted it to, then you are wrong, your being cheated. Your money is being stolen from the BBT and given to the BBP to be done with what ever the persons involved in the BBP want to do with it. They are not accountable to Srila Prabhupada, to the rules that Srila Prabhupada specifically established for his publishing house - the BBT, or for that matter anyone but themselves. Furthermore the changed books by Jayadvaita and Dravida and company are not BBT books they are BBTI books that are illegally using the BBT name and trademark! The BBP and the BBTI are not the BBT so they have no obligation to abide by or function according to all the laws that Srila Prabhupada established for his book trust and the designated rules that the persons involved are supposed to be following. This must be clear that they are not at all accountable to anyone but them selves. By the way, the BBP is run by an alcoholic smoker. It was to these two unauthorized ‘shadow’ corporations that Harikesa and company tried to then transfer the copyrights to and also all the money that was generated from book sales.
BBTI not BBT hold the copyrights for all these new unauthorized changed books that are printed and distributed by the simple, innocent, uninformed book distributors. So yes, you got it, that means that the changed book distributers are not working for the BBT or for Srila Prabhupada at allthey are working for a separate fraud organization never approved of or blessed by Srila Prabhupada. This unauthorized organization is so bold that they are trying to dupe the innocent devotees by illegitimately printing the name BBT in and on the bogus BBTI books of Jayadvaita Swami. Also the money they collect and ignorantly send to the BBTI thinking it is the BBT, does not even go there it is usurped and rerouted to the nonsense organization called the BBP That is Doing Business As (DBA) the "BBT." So the funds we send to BBT never get there they are thwarted and rerouted not to Srila Prabhupada's BBT but to some (karmie nonsense smoker and drinkers) organization called the BBP and the innocent uninformed cheated book distributers are ignorantly supporting all this.
It also should be noted that since the failed legal attempt to usurp the copyrights from the BBT to the newly created unauthorized fraud organization started by Harikesa, the BBTI, the persons running the BBTI have officially stated that Srila Prabhupada was nothing more then an indentured employee to write books for their use and nothing more! So Srila Prabhupada went from bing the Guru, Acharya, worshipable divine master and sole author of his books to merely being an ‘author for hire’! Just some employee doing some menial tasks. According to them Srila Prabhupada was ISKCON’s hired worker and nothing more – He was on the same level as  any other indentured worker and deserves no more respect then a hired karmie pot washer does. ISKCON supplied Prabhupada with room and board, dictation machine, paper, pen… And Prabhupada worked for his room and board. Thats all… This is the way that this bogus organization views our divine master Srila Prabhupada, the jagat guru and world acharya. This is indeed a great offense to not only His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, but to the parampara he is representing.
Hare Krishna!

How were the copyrights transferred to the BBTI?
First of all we have to understand that the BBTI is an impostor organisation and has nothing to do with Srila Prabhupada's original BBT. The BBTI just tries to control the BBT, that’s all.
ISKCON and Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International, Inc. (BBTI) are NOT the authentic Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (BBT) founded by Srila Prabhupada for publishing his phenomenal works. Srila Prabhupada's Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (BBT) is a legal trust and has no connection with ISKCON and the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International, Inc., (BBTI) a California corporation formed in 1988, 11 years after Srila Prabhupada departed from this world. Srila Prabhupada established the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust in 1972, and in 1974, appointed Hansadutta dasa BBT trustee for life with these words: "The temples may go, the devotees may go, but my books will live forever."
So, how then were the copyrights transferred to the BBTI? They never where. Hansadutta did NOT "signed over" the copyrights to the BBTI, he only resigned as a trustee.
What Hansadutta did was to resign officially from his post as the BBT Trustee, to which Srila Prabhupada has appointed him life-long (even in writing). The so-called copyrights are still with the BBT, but the problem is that the original trustees of that Bhaktivedanta Book Trust have either resigned or fallen away, so the book trust (BBT) itself is not functional at present, being bereft of its original trustees. That is the real issue and problem. Legally it is very questionable if the bogus BBTI can take over the BBT by getting their own man signed in (into the BBT) with the help of Hansadutta's resignation.
Because of Hansadutta's official resignation as a BBT Trustee (at the court case) the bogus BBTI now thinks to put their own man into the BBT and thus control everything.
The BBTI is an illegal impostor corporation created by ISKCON, which has absolutely no legal rights over Srila Prabhupada's books. They just want to usurp the BBT and control all of the money and printing. The court case against Hansadutta was to contest Srila Prabhupada's own originally created BBT in court, trying to degrade Srila Prabhupada to a mere scribbling of ISKCON and a hired servant of the BBT-I Inc. By suing Srila Prabhupada's lifelong appointed trustees, the bogus BBTI managers thought to get the control over the BBT.
That Hansadutta has resigned from being a BBT trustee is unfortunate, but it does not mean that automatically the bogus BBTI has the printing rights. This is not the case. The rights are still with the BBT only, which at present is disintegrated because it has no more functional trustees. So the BBTI is NOT Srila Prabhupada's BBT at all and they absolutely have no claim to the copyrights on Srila Prabhupada's books.
Unfortunately Hansadutta agreed to a court settlement in which he was offered by ISKCON/BBTI to privately print books outside of ISKCON if he officially resigns as BBT Trustee, and this Idiot (by the advice of his lawyer Gupta) went for it. He betrayed Srila Prabhupada by resigning from his service personally given to him by Srila Prabhupada (to print original books as BBT Trustee).
Srila Prabhupada wanted the BBT to be separate from ISKCON, but Hansadutta being a BBT Trustee resigned from his post, playing the original BBT into the hands of ISKCON GBC-clones, with Dryadwaita Swami on their head, who is perverting all of Srila Prabhupada's original translations, without being checked by anybody.
Hansadutta voluntarily renounced the Sacred Trust as lifetime GUARDIAN of Srila Prabhupada's books for the right to print books outside of ISKCON for personal profit, in any way he likes, with no checks and balances, just to make quick bucks with his own privatised company, by his personalized rights to privatise Srila Prabhupada's books, for himself only. How selfish. How foolish. How unfortunate. What an idiot. What a fool.
The only non-negotiable thing was for him to remain Srila Prabhupada's BBT Trustee as per his order (as his re-established BBT trustee). As BBT Trustee, it was his fiduciary responsibility to fight an appeal to uphold Srila Prabhupada's original BBT Trust, with himself as his appointed trustee.
By appointing Hansadutta as a BBT trustee, Srila Prabhupada knew very well that despite his bad habits and artificial fall-downs, he still had the POTENTIAL to save His BBT from the inevitable book changers and political managers that rushed to change His books even before He went into His final Samadhi.
Srila Prabhupada's original books are not separate from ISKCON so that the BBT Trustees would have the power to demand the purity and obedience to Srila Prabhupada before licensing publishing rights to any branch of ISKCON. In that way, the BBT Trustee was created as the ultimate watchdog of the standards of ISKCON.
But Hansadutta has rejected his service of protecting the integrity of Srila Prabhupada's book-setup, by not getting a court settlement of being re-established as Srila Prabhupada's appointed BBT Trustee. On the opposite, he gave up his post to the KING of the book-changers, Jayadwaita Swami. Not only will the BBTI now NOT be forced to rectify the changed books of the Pure Devotee, but the book-changing fox has been locked in with the chickens! It is hilarious, one does not know if to laugh or cry. Srila Prabhupada wanted him, as his BBT Trustee, to protect his books but he has betrayed him by selling out to the greatest demon and book-changers for a cheap settlement of personal publishing rights.
This is most fatal:
In the settlement it is stated: "Hansadutta Dasa, Veda Guhya Dasa, Bhagavan Dasa, and Dasa Dasanudasa Dasa Dasi have voluntarily stepped down from any role they might have had as trustees of the 1972 trust. And all concerned have agreed that now the (new) trustees (of the BBT) will be four trustees from the BBT-I International: Brahma Muhurta Dasa, Naresvara Dasa, Svavasa Dasa, and Jayadvaita Swami."
So, that means the new BBT trustees are now Brahma Muhurta Dasa, Naresvara Dasa, Svavasa Dasa, and Jayadvaita Swami, and the bogus BBT-I trustees are also Brahma Muhurta Dasa, Nerdesvara Dasa, Svavasa Dasa, and Jayadvaita Swami.
The settlement further states: "With the validity of the California trust now reaffirmed, all parties agree that the rightful beneficiary of the trust is the International Society for Krishna Consciousness". "The BBT-I will continue handling the active side of the BBT operations" (What is that meaning??)
Sounds really bad, and this scum Naresvara (a real nerd) also called Nerdesvara helped destroy the Singapore printing. WOW, the worst scum's Jayadvaita, Nerdesvara and Svavas controlling the BBT as well as the BBT-I. Unbelievable!
However, since Hasadutta did not get the printing license (because it was given to Gupta) he has rescinded his resignation as BBT Trustee. Hansadutta on his website wrote the following:
"This is to notify you that inasmuch as your organization has never given me a license to print the original books of Srila Prabhupada but rather the license has been given to Krsna Books Inc. the formation of which has been proven in court proceedings to be a fraud practiced by my attorney Joseph Fedorowsky (See California State Bar Complaint Case No. 99-0-11217, See Overview of Complaint attached as Exhibit 1).
Also none of the Settlement monies were paid to me other than to cover whatever obligation I may have had to Mr. Fedorowsky. This leaves me no alternative than to rescind the settlement agreement and withdraw my resignation pursuant to which you were appointed trustees of the trust and I must reassert my position as trustee of the trust.
Since the Settlement Agreement has been invalidated I have no alternative but to reassert my duties as trustee. I will now perform my responsibilities as trustee."
Also Madhudvisa wrote to Locanananda the following:
"BBTI is not even the "BBT" Prabhupada established. It is simply ISKCON operating under another name. They have nothing to do whatsoever with Prabhupada's BBT. It is simply a con. They are not the BBT and, as Hansadutta Prabhu's case has proved, THEY HAVE NO CLEAR CLAIM TO THE COPYRIGHTS OF PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS. So the copyright issue is not relevant. BBTI have no clear claim to the rights to Prabhupada's books at all. Nothing has changed since Hansadutta's case except Hansadutta "signed over" the copyrights to the BBTI... But it is very unlikely that Hansadutta had the copyrights of Prabhupada's books in his possession so his "signing over" of the copyrights to the BBTI is completely bogus also. So the BBTI is NOT Prabhupada's BBT at all and they do not have any clear claim to the copyrights on Prabhupada's books.
So these sentimental arguments that the "BBTI should do it" are not very relevant. THE BBT PRABHUPADA ESTABLISHED NO LONGER EXISTS (due to NO original trustees). So now the sincere disciples of Srila Prabhupada have to "do the needful" and get Prabhupada's original books back in print and distribute them, perhaps by reestablishing the REAL BBT. This action alone can force the BBTI to print Prabhupada's original books also as in the presence of Prabhupada's original books there is no market for their adulterated versions of many of Prabhupada's books they print [NOT all of them are changed--BBTI still publish some original pre-1977 books as well]
Actually if we like it or not, but we now have to work with Gupta, since he holds the court approved license, to print original books. Actually Gupta has to sue now the bogus BBTI for printing unauthorised Books.

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Iskcon's non-devotional activities Exposed: Part 1

The above photos illustrate some of the non-devotional activities that took place at this year's Durban, South Africa Ratha-yatra; marching bands, different dancing displays, circus acts, etc. Indeed, no longer was Lord Krsna in His form as Jagannatha, the Lord of the Universe, the main attraction. Rather, as can be seen from the promotional flyer for the festival, the main attraction was a pop band and a Philharmonic Orchestra:

Srila Prabhupada wrote:
"Why was Gaura-Nitai and Radha-Krsna Deities put on the Ratha cart in Chicago? Who has sanctioned this? This is not authorized. It does not mean that we shall make Rathayatra a conglomeration. Everything should be done by proper sanction. [...] With regard to your question about Bengali style kirtana and mrdanga playing, one or two styles is best. To introduce more styles is not good. It will become an encumbrance. Who is that Krsna das Babaji who is teaching? If we introduce so much emphasis on style of kirtana, then simply imitation will go on. Devotional emotion is the main thing. If we give stress to instrument and style then attention will be diverted to the style. That will be spiritual loss."
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 30/6/1976)
When Srila Prabhupada would not even sanction putting a different deity form of Krsna on the Ratha cart as authorised -- condemning such changes to make Ratha-yatra a "conglomeration" -- it is clear that the above illustrated "conglomeration" of alternative culture and entertainment is also not authorised. Furthermore, the introduction of a "Philharmonic Orchestra" and a pop band (and KwaMashu Choir) is clearly giving emphasis to "instrument and style" over simple kirtana, which Srila Prabhupada states above is an "encumbrance". Srila Prabhupada further states that the ultimate result of such emphasis on manufactured musical entertainments will be "spiritual loss".

Check out part 2 of the expose here ---> http://www.iskcontruth.com/2014/04/iskcons-non-devotional-activities.html

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