The following is the reply mail written by Dayalu to Nimai. You can check Nimai Pandit Dasa's mail HERE
Dear
Nimai Pandit,
Hare Krishna.All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Before starting to reply your mail para by para, line by line I would like to share some incidents which happened in the last one year between you and me so that all the devotees who are reading this mail may understand your intention behind writing the mail which you have sent to me and have also forwarded it to many other devotees without my knowledge.which has created great confusion amongst the devotees here. You have gone to the extent of printing the whole mail and sending a hard copy to me by courier. I have already started getting calls from many people who are asking me various questions which have been created in their mind by your mispreaching.
Hare Krishna.All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Before starting to reply your mail para by para, line by line I would like to share some incidents which happened in the last one year between you and me so that all the devotees who are reading this mail may understand your intention behind writing the mail which you have sent to me and have also forwarded it to many other devotees without my knowledge.which has created great confusion amongst the devotees here. You have gone to the extent of printing the whole mail and sending a hard copy to me by courier. I have already started getting calls from many people who are asking me various questions which have been created in their mind by your mispreaching.
Some very strange things are happening with your behaviour with me since last 1 year. If you remember I had raised one issue regarding one grihastha devotee Gaurangasundar (Gaurav Mohnot) in my mail to you date: Wed,Jan 30,2013 at 7:24 pm. In this mail I have mentioned that he is passing sexual remarks to many matajis some of whom are attending our programs. I even sent all those nonsense chats in which he has passed such remarks as an evidence to you. You replied to me in a mail date: Thu,Jan 31,2103 at 3:58 pm. To my surprise you were writing that you already know about it for last four months. You went on to say as follows (I am reproducing your exact words verbatim from your mail which is still lying in my mail box) – “Srila Prabhupada’s first solution to these kind of problems was more service and more responsibilities, more enthusiasm to serve so that service will purify …etc. etc.”.
Later on during the Prabhupadanuga festival which was hosted by us in March 2013 which was attended by devotees from Russia, Germany, Turkey, UK and USA I came to know that Gaurav is doing this to matajis of other countries also.After that I called you and explained the whole situation and requested you to remove him from the post of communication director of ISKCON Inc.
To my surprise you told me that how we can take away his service from him? I explained to you that you can give him some other service because most of the people to whom he is preaching all over the world on internet have already burnt their fingers once with false gurus. This time if they come to know about his activities their faith will be completely shattered. I even told you that this is not only my opinion but it is the opinion of many devotees and still if you are not convinced, so many devotees from around the world are already here, so let us have a meeting and discuss it.After hearing this you became very angry and disconnected the phone.
Nimai Pandit later on in this mail you have raised one issue regarding one very sincere devotee Murli Mohan Prabhu who has decided to take sanyasa in the next ritvik initition ceremony which is going to be held during the gaur poornima in March 2014. The issue is that you have got some information from somewhere that he sleeps during chanting and you have written almost 10 to 15 pages giving various quotes of Srila Prabhupada and finally concluding that he should be removed from his gurukul service and sent for book distribution for his purification etc. etc. Even the information of sleeping during chanting you have got is exaggerated without knowing the particular situations in which it has happened. But since you have written 10 to 15 pages on this trivial issue I have replied that also line by line later on.
JUST SEE HOW YOU ARE MISUSING SRILA PRABHUPADA’S QUOTES !!
In the case of Gaurav Mohnot you are proving from SP quotes that we cannot take away somebody’s service inspite of such charges against him which can destroy the faith of many devotees. On the other hand in the case of Murli Mohan Prabhu you are trying to take away his service inspite of knowing the following facts about him -
a) his dedication, understanding, following of Srila Prabhupada’s desires & instructions.
b) The
fact that he has already read Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam cover to
cover.
c) He is
born in a very highly traditional brahaminical family of India. His father
was initiated in Sri Ramanuja Sampraday before his marriage. Worship of Shaligram sila has
been going on regularly in his house. His whole family eats only Krishna Prasadam.
d) His spotless character from childhood. You also know that he has never touched the four sins
(intoxication including tea and coffee, meat eating including onion and garlic, gambling, illicit-
sex) since his childhood.
was initiated in Sri Ramanuja Sampraday before his marriage. Worship of Shaligram sila has
been going on regularly in his house. His whole family eats only Krishna Prasadam.
d) His spotless character from childhood. You also know that he has never touched the four sins
(intoxication including tea and coffee, meat eating including onion and garlic, gambling, illicit-
sex) since his childhood.
e) Right from the childhood he has been engaged
in the duties of a brahamna yajna-yaajan, patan-
paatan, daan-pratigrha.
paatan, daan-pratigrha.
Inspite of knowing the above facts about him you are daring to prove (late on in this mail) that he is not a true brahmana, he is in tamoguna, he should be removed from his gurukul service of teaching and sent for book distribution for his purification etc. etc.You have not stopped at this and in your mail which you have sent to Murali Mohan Prabhu you have decided his lifetime service. I will reproduce the exact lines which you have stated to him in your own words – “Actually it would be good if you can then take up the service of translating all of Srila Prabhupada’s books, conversations, lectures, letters etc. into hindi as your lifetime service”.
And like that there are so many points I wanted to clarify from you about your strange behavior with me and other devotees here. I have been writing to you emails since you left after the Prabhupadanuga festival asking clarification on many issues. Also those mails are still lying unanswered in my mail box. Around two months back Badal called me and told me that you are in India and have contacted him. I took your phone number from him and called you many times but you did not pick up my phone. So I was thinking that whenever you will come to Jaipur I will clarify all the issues which are being raised here by me and many other devotees.
Now you
are in Jaipur since last one month (as far as I have got information from some
of our congregation devotees). It is very strange that instead of coming and
meeting me or talking to me over the phone you
have contacted those few devotees who have left our center in the past 4-5
years due to some of their personal problems. As far as I remember there are
only three full time devotees who have left our center in the last 5 years in
the very beginning stage of their spiritual training. I have come to know that you have contacted some of our
congregation devotees also and you are utilizing some of the minor differences which
they have with our center to turn them completely against us.
I don’t know why you are doing this? If you really think that there is some problem with the center you could have come and met me or you could have come and stayed here for as many days as you want and checked the situation personally.
I don’t know why you are doing this? If you really think that there is some problem with the center you could have come and met me or you could have come and stayed here for as many days as you want and checked the situation personally.
If you
refer to my mails which I have been sending to you in the last few months I
have requested you to come here and stay in the association of devotees atleast
for some days. Whenever you have been in Jaipur you normally stay alone in your
residence at Banipark, Jaipur. You have never come and stayed at our center
even for one day since last three years and now you are trying to see the
activities of our center through the eyes of some neophyte devotees and your
imaginatons.
Few
months back the situation was that I was waiting for you to clarify the issues
which I and many other devotees against you are having and now you have come up
with this mail wherein you are claiming that the whole center has completely
deviated from the teaching of Srila Prabhupada based on some hearsay. Actually YOU
should have clarified the issues which I had raised against you first.
Anyway still
I will reply each and every point of
this mail first.In the following text to come my reply is in black to the points
which you had made in your mail which
are in red.
Nimai :
Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances! All
Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I am very happy to hear of all these activities that you wrote in previous emails but did not reply due to certain reasons enumerated below. But before that I would like to convey my happiness in seeing the gurukul coming forth as per Srila Prabhupada's instructions. And instruction specifically to you. Madhava now must be feeling relieved. I think it is 4 years after we used to talk about it that a Gurukul is required and that you ought to take it up that it has finally come forth!
Dayalu :
How
diplomatic!!! Still for your information Madhav is studying in Varnashram
College which is running exactly as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions.We have
started a Bhakti shashtri course which all the students of Varnahrama College
are doing very seriously from last three months. There are 10 books in this
course which are as follows:
BBD, NOD, BG, NOI, ISOP, RV, SSR, POY, EJTOP, TLC. (All original KBI ENGLISH Books)
BBD, NOD, BG, NOI, ISOP, RV, SSR, POY, EJTOP, TLC. (All original KBI ENGLISH Books)
This is as per following instruction of Srila Prabhupada :
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Acyutänanda:
There was talk that they would be given examinations.
Prabhupäda:
Yes. Yes.
Acyutänanda:
What is the syllabus for...?
Prabhupäda:
Whatever books we have got, it should be studied. Bhakti-çästré means Nectar of
Devotion, Bhagavad-gétä, Nectar of Instruction, Beyond Death—in this way we
select some ten books. That is bhakti-çästré.
(Morning
Walk -- January 6, 1976, Nellore)
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In
future we will be also conducting Bhakti-vaibhava and Bhakti-vedanta as per following
instruction of Srila Prabhupada.
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(Letter to:
Aniruddha — Los Angeles 4 February, 1969)
We wish to
hold examinations and award titles such as Bhakti-sastri, Bhakti-vaibhava, and
Bhaktivedanta. The whole program will continue for seven years.
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There
are 5 students in gurukul (of age 5-10 years) and 8 students (above 10 years)
in Varnashrama College. This we are doing as per following instruction of Srila
Prabhupada:
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(Morning
Walk "Varëäçrama College" --
March 14, 1974, Våndävana)
Prabhupäda:
Varëäçrama college means for grown-up students. College means for grown-up
students.
Hådayänanda:
Is there a minimum age for beginning such a college?
Prabhupäda:
Yes. Ten to twelve years.
Hådayänanda:
They can start at ten to twelve?
Prabhupäda:
Yes. From five to ten years, gurukula. And after ten years, they should go to
the varëäçrama college.
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Also, at
least 10 more students (8 from India, 1from Russia and 1 from Germany) are
going to join from next session which will be starting from Gaura Poornima (we
are going as per Gaurabdha Calendar). The student who is coming from Germany is
being sent by Mathias prabhu. Other devotees like Balarama Prabhu (Turkey),
Nimai Nitai prabhu (Ukraine) and Alex prabhu (Russia) have promised us to help and many devotees
like Gauridasa Pandita prabhu (USA), Jitarathi prabhu (UK), Micheal prabhu
(Germany), Maha Sringa prabhu (USA), Prahlad Das (UK) and have appreciated this
Gurukul and Varnashrama college.
You will
be surprised to know that even devotees from ISKCON are sending their children
to this Gurukul (one of the student in Varnashrama College is son of
vice-president of one of the prominent ISKCON centers). I am not mentioning his
name because as you know in this Gurukul Srila Prabhupada is the ONLY Diksh
guru which is not accepted by current ISKCON world.
As you
know we are not affiliated to any government program as per following
instruction of Srila Prabhupada:
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Conversation: "How to Secure Brahmacärés" -- June
24, 1977, Våndävana
Gopäla
Kåñëa: I was thinking, Çréla Prabhupäda, we should get this gurukula accepted
by the government also...
Prabhupäda:
No, no, no. Never do that.
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Inspite
of knowing this, it is astonishing that most of our children have come from respectable
families. As we were discussing four years back about the need of Gurukul and
Varnashrama College, finally it has come forth by the mercy of His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Since
you have not visited this Gurukul even once, the following picture will give
you a visual idea.
Nimai:
How is the project in the village near Jaipur coming along? How many
acres do you have now?
Dayalu :
By the mercy of Srila Prabhupada and Gauranga Mahaprabhu we have already acquired 35 acres of land which is 70 kms away from Jaipur city. If you remember when last time you came to India during Prabhupadanuga worldwide festival, hosted by us (Hare Krishna Community, Jaipur). I informed you about this land and also requested you to visit it. Most of the Prabhupadanuga devotees like Gauridasa Pandita prabhu, Balarama prabhu, Prahlada prabhu, Alex prabhu, Slava Prabhu, Jayaprada mataji and Yagya mataji visited the land but it was very strange that though you were in Jaipur you didn’t come.
By the mercy of Srila Prabhupada and Gauranga Mahaprabhu we have already acquired 35 acres of land which is 70 kms away from Jaipur city. If you remember when last time you came to India during Prabhupadanuga worldwide festival, hosted by us (Hare Krishna Community, Jaipur). I informed you about this land and also requested you to visit it. Most of the Prabhupadanuga devotees like Gauridasa Pandita prabhu, Balarama prabhu, Prahlada prabhu, Alex prabhu, Slava Prabhu, Jayaprada mataji and Yagya mataji visited the land but it was very strange that though you were in Jaipur you didn’t come.
I know
that you were sick for a few days but even after you recovered and visited our
Hare Krishna festival in Indraloka Auditorium you didn’t even ask me about the
land.
The
project in the village near Jaipur is coming along very nicely. We have named
this project as “Hare Krishna Village”.
A well has already been dug where we will utilize the bulls of our goshala to
draw water using the traditional “rahat” system which does not require
electricity. The boundary wall work has also started. Our plan is to develop a self-sufficient
farm community and the heart of this project is Gurukul and Varnashrama
College, I also understand that for the project become successful we require
much more land. There is another 150 acres of land attached to our land which
we will be gradually buying down the line as LaxmiJi keeps coming. One good
part is that 100 acres of “gochara bhoomi” (land marked by the government for
grazing cows), 300 acres of forest land and many mountains are already adjacent
to our land which can be utilized as grazing grounds for our cows free of cost.
One of
the main concerns for the Varnashrama to become successful is to provide
economic independence to grihasthas based on Krsi-gorksha-varnijyum. By the
mercy of Gauranga Mahaprabhu, on this front we have already made considerable
progress. Pure hand churned desi ghee
made from indigenous inidain cows is already being made and sold at good
prices. Recently Mathias prabhu has ordered 100 Liters of this ghee to be sent
to Germany and many more orders from Europe and Russia are coming.
One very
sincere grihastha devotee (Arjuna Das) has already become financially
independent by doing this ghee business. Arjuna Das who you know very well is
happily situated here in KC. His wife is expecting a child in the next month.
They are both very excited about training the child for Srila Prabhupada’s Gurukula, already running
here.
Also
some other businesses related to prasadam distribution are going on
successfully which will help those brahmacaris who may get into grihastha
ashrama in future. One such business of producing Namkeen prasadam is being
done by one of our hostel boys Priyank Gupta (+91-8432384842) very
successfully. By grace of Krishna, Priyank has set up a manufacturing unit in
the plot next to our center so that large quantity of Namkeen can be produced.Since I had personally launched this on Radhashtami celebration and many many
orders are coming. A platform is being created for those Grihasthas who are
currently doing job but if given an independent source of income they are ready
to serve full time in the mission of Srila Prabhupada with their family. Rajesh
Sharma, whom you know very well, is thinking seriously to take up this business
as a source of income and leave his current job. Premabhakti prabhu whom you
know very well was very eager to take this independent source of income
immediately but I suggested him that he should continue to stay at home in village
Govindgarh as there is already a temple of Sri Radha Gopal ji near his house where
he is already doing morning program and few devotees are visiting. I told him
that since he already has association of devotees there is no need to suddenly
give up his job.
If you
remember he is the same Premabhakti (Praveen Bhatra) who got initiated by Srila
Prabhupada as per ritvik system at
our center in May 2011. At this point I am remembering one incident which
happened before his initiation, you were in New York temple fighting the case
and Madhu Pandit prabhu was helping
you by giving money for your case. For some reasons you were having some arguments
to and fro with him on the internet (a copy of which you were constantly
forwarding to me which are still in my inbox). One of the issues which Madhu
Pandit prabhu was raising was that you are spending months and months in India
(I think he may be referring when you were staying in Jaipur). He was saying
that being the temple president of ISKCON New York you should spend more time
looking after the temple and the case for which he was supporting you
financially. That time you told him that you are training one devotee (Praveen
Bhatra) who will take care of ISKCON New York as a president in your absence.
But due
to some reason you yourself left India for a long time. Since then I have been
encouraging Premabhakti (Praveen) to form a trust with three officers President,
Secretary and Treasurer and open a bank account and manage the Govindgarh
center independently. But because three devotees who are chanting 16 rounds and
following 4 regulative principals are still not there who can occupy these
posts (though there are some matajis who are chanting 16 rounds) he is not able
to form a trust. Premabhakti prabhu told me few days back that now you are
again asking him to leave his job and go to New York temple with his family.
I
don’t know what you are trying to do?
Anyway
there are so many things to say for which I am preparing many mails which I will
be sending shortly.
For the time being let us focus on the other
points which you have mentioned below.
Nimai:
Most happy to hear that your allopathic medicines are nil and other medicines are only 10%.
Most happy to hear that your allopathic medicines are nil and other medicines are only 10%.
Dayalu:
How diplomatic!!! If you remember when you were living with me in my apartment 2009-10 I was having problems with my sleep due to which I would sometimes feel depressed. I was taking allopathic medicines to cure it but there was no improvement. At that time I used to regularly attend the entire morning program (from Mangla arti to Bhagavatam class) in spite of sleeping only 2-3 hours in the night. It was a great austerity and that time you used to encourage and appreciate me. Many of the devotees at the center who are still with me still appreciate me for my regular morning sadhana in spite of this sleep problem.
How diplomatic!!! If you remember when you were living with me in my apartment 2009-10 I was having problems with my sleep due to which I would sometimes feel depressed. I was taking allopathic medicines to cure it but there was no improvement. At that time I used to regularly attend the entire morning program (from Mangla arti to Bhagavatam class) in spite of sleeping only 2-3 hours in the night. It was a great austerity and that time you used to encourage and appreciate me. Many of the devotees at the center who are still with me still appreciate me for my regular morning sadhana in spite of this sleep problem.
Since
the last two years the preaching has grown beyond my imagination – now we have
18 full-time dedicated brahmacaris, 6 initiated grihasthas, 13 Gurukul and Varnashrama college students, 60 cows
and bulls in our goshala, 35 acres of land near Jaipur, three hostels with 43
students.
Raghav
Pandit Das who is leading youth preaching programs has also formed Gauranga
Sankirtan Party (GPS) which is regularly doing long hours sankirtan and book
distribution in various parts of
Rajasthan and many many more things………
Due to
the sleep problem I was not able to work with my full capacity. Around one and
a half years back I consulted an ayurvedic
doctor. He told me that if I want to cure this problem from the root I will
have to give up my allopathic medicine altogether on the strength of ayurvedic treatment. He told me that I
should not leave my allopathic medicine suddenly but tapper it over a period of
1-2 years, he also told me that during this period I should not exert myself
and take sufficient rest otherwise this problem will relapse. It was dilemma
for me because I thought that if after sleeping only for 2-3 hours in the night
I go for mangla arti it would be a heavy exertion on me and if I do not go for
such a long period then I may become a bad example for the devotees as I am the
temple president here. To resolve this dilemma I talked to the devotees here
about it. To my relief, everyone was very positive about me and told me that I
should take care of my health first. The devotees also told me that they are
already very inspired with my energetic preaching and this not coming for
mangla arti temporarily for some time till I recover will not move their faith
in me even an inch.
So the
currently the situation is that my allopathic medicines have become nil and the
ayurvedic medicines reduced to 10 %. But
due to this leaving of allopathic medicines my sleep cycle became completely
topsy-turvy. But by Krishna’s grace within next 5 to 6 months this problem will
get sorted out and I will again start attending mangla arti as before.
Nimai:
As for me, I am struggling as always to try to keep up with the
instructions of Srila Prabhupada, still do not feel I can offer him any
tangible fruits or results of services that he has ordered. Even the service
attitude is not there, so I do not know what is going to happen to me - na
gatih kuto api. Only thing I can do is keep trying every new day. To chant
nicely and reading and to keep his specific instructions in focus, however
painful that is. Hopefully he will see my endeavor and take that at least, as
he is manifestation of Lord Caitanya's mercy.
The only external development has happened is that Lord Krishna
after taking me through a hard purification process to properly respect and
utilize Shrimati Laxmidevi for expanding His and His pure devotee’s Glories and
service of His devotees ONLY, He has started blessing with some gradually.
Maybe now the various services to Srila Prabhupada that have been instructed to
me would be able to be manifest.
Dayalu:
I don’t know
whether you went through a hard
purification process or not because of disrespecting
and misutilizing Srimati Laxmidevi,
but the devotees who were working under you certainly went through a very hard
time. If you remember your Sangad and
Phulera projects, they were nightmares in which lakhs of rupees of donation
money was wasted, many cows died of hunger in Sangad, , employees like Ganpat
Daan were on the verge of committing suicide due to you not paying the debts
which were taken in his name for your
project. Still many people from whom you took loan are after you.
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:44 AM,
Abhimanyu Sharma <abhimanyu_hkc@yahoo.in> wrote:
Hare Krishna
Prabhuji,
I hope this mail finds you in best of
your health.I am extremely sorry for not keeping in touch with you.I
am very sorry to inform you that over the past 2 weeks around 12 cows in
the goshala have died,due to weakness and lack of chara.The gopalaks in our
goshala are no longer ready to give their services at the goshala as it has
been almost one year since they were last paid and also they are very angry
and frustrated with our negligence(according to them) towards the cows.As
the cows are dying almost daily ,the goshala has earned a bad name in
sangad and nearby villages too.The cows are in a very deplorable condition
and require urgent help and attention.As the days are passing by the
debt on the goshala is also increasing, as Ganpat danji is arranging chara
and dala for the cows on credit from different sources.
Prabhuji,I am really concerned about our cows in the goshala…… Waiting for your earliest reply.
Your Servant
Abhimanyu Sharma
|
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If you
remember that Ganpat Daan (goshala in charge) started chasing me for the
repayments
If you
remember that Ganpat Daan (goshala in charge) started chasing me for the
repayments
of his debts which were created due to your
mis-management though I was not directly involved in this project. My
involvement was only that I had given to you one of our devotees (Arjuna
Prabhu) to work for your project on your request. And when I wrote to you
regarding first focusing on paying back Ganpat Daan’s money as he is
threatening me that he will commit suicide and write our name in the suicide
note. I was astonished to receive a reply from you wherein you were preaching
to me that satisfying the senses of Ganpat Daan is not a transcendental
activity.
Prabhu now when I reflect on these incidents I can see how much pain was caused to cows, devotees and employees and you were going on justifying these incidents by high philosophy. There are many many incidents like this and all the mails which were exchanged between me, you and Arjuna prabhu are still lying in the mail box.
Prabhu now when I reflect on these incidents I can see how much pain was caused to cows, devotees and employees and you were going on justifying these incidents by high philosophy. There are many many incidents like this and all the mails which were exchanged between me, you and Arjuna prabhu are still lying in the mail box.
Nimai:
As for the reason I did not write back to you. It was partly due to
very hectic schedule (traveling in Europe) but mostly due to the direction you
and the center were going as I found it then (in March).
Dayalu:
Prabhu but
in march there were many devotees from around the world (Balarama Prabhu,
Gauridasa Pandita Prabhu, Mathias Prabhu, Alex Prabhu, Prahlada Prabhu etc.)
who stayed in our center for 5-7 days. In the last three years since our center
has shifted to Sitapura, Jaipur in a big set-up you have not even spent a total
of few hours here. The maximum time spent by you at the center was when you
came to attend the meeting of Prabhupadanugas during the festival in March
2013.
The views
of these devotees about the direction in which I and the center are going is as
follows (which have been published in our latest magazine “The Vedic Times”, a
copy of which I will send to you):
1) Comment by Prahalad Das prabhu (UK): Hare Krishna. I had the good fortune to stay at Jaipur Hare Krishna Centre for 8 days during the Prabhupadanuga festival in March 2012 at the invite of Gaurangasundar Das. Most ISKCON related 'Hare Krsna' centres are controlled by conditioned souls posing as advanced Gurus and their unfortunate followers who do not follow the instructions of ISKCON Acharya Srila Prabhupada. Anyway, i was assured that it was a Prabhupada centered event and after some encouragement i booked a taxi from Vrindavan and travelled to Jaipur. Arriving at the Hare Krsna Centre was like returning back home.. back to Prabhupada. The devotees there were very sincere and welcoming, and the transcendental sound vibration of Srila Prabhupada was everywhere to be heard. Even mobile phone ringtones were purifying! I have been involved with Krishna Consciousness since receiving Prabhupada's books 29 years ago, (it's a long story) but have spend most of the time since in England avoiding the (fake Sita) ISKCON "living-guru" clubs. I have therefore had little association over many years and have found that sincere Prabhupada followers are very rare. Of course the best association is to hear Prabhupada's recordings and read his original (pre-1978) books. Hearing from the pure devotee is the key to Krishna Consciousness. So, at Jaipur HKC I was surrounded by so many Godbrothers and sisters, including other visiting guests sach as Balaram Das (Turkey), Prahlad-Nrsimha Das (USA) and Bhakta Alex & other devotees from Russia. In England there is a saying that you wait a long time for a bus to arrive then lots of buses arrive at the same time. This is what being at Jaipur HKC was like for me. Hari-Nam Sankirtan in central Jaipur was a great experience. We chanted all the way there and back too. They also have nice Goshala with many 'Kamadhenu' cows providing for the devotees. Their University 'Bhagavad-Gita As It Is' preaching programs are very popular. It is good to see more Indian-born persons recognising the true value of their own Vedic culture, instead of aspiring for the worthless materialism and spiritual ignorance of the West, where almost everyone is unhappy and lost, wasting the valuable human form of life. If the devotees of Jaipur HKC continue to keep strictly in line with Prabhupada's teachings, without comprimise, their spiritual growth and success is certain. I hope to return later this year to serve the servants of Jagat-Guru Srila Prabhupada. My obeisances to Dayalu, Raghav, Arjuna, Lalit and all the other devotees. Nitai-Gaura
Haribol! Jaya Prabhupada
2) Comment by Mathias Prabhu (Germany):
My name is Bhakta Mathias from germany and i visited Jaipur
Prabhupadanuga Hare Krishna center.It is a very nice Prabhupadanuga temple
community with very sincere , sweet , nice, strict and humble devotees. The
temple president Dayalu Prabhu and his devotees has done a very nice and most
important service to Prabhupada and Krishna.The preaching work in many
university's in Jaipur is going on very nicely together with book distribution.
The temple devotees are very very very nice and humble Prabhupadanugas!
3) Comment by Balarama Prabhu (Turkey): Hare Krsna dear devotees, please accept my humble obeisences, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. What can I say about my time with the Jaipur Prabhupadanuga devotees and their wonderful temple? I can honestly say it was the best experience I have ever had in any of Prabhupada’s temples.The temple atmosphere and the mood of all the devotees was so wonderfully focused on Srila Prabhupada, there was not a corner to be found where Srila Prabhupada’s soothing liberating vani couldn’t be heard. Generally we struggle to remember Srila Prabhupada and Krsna but here we struggled to forget Srila Prabhupada. The Jaipur Temple lead by his grace Dayalu prabhu has such a wonderful family mood, my wife Govinda devi das immediately felt very comfortable and at home ( unlike Mayapur ) and she wanted to serve with the matajis all day. This is so wonderful and pleasing to Srila Prabhupada, to create a mood in which anyone feels inspired to serve their lordships Radha Govindaji. They are creating a wonderful example of a temple as Srila Prabhupada wants it to be. They have a Gosala beside the temple in Jaipur and have already started to set up a much bigger project outside Jaipur where devotees can live nicely in Krsna con with a huge gosala, future gurukula and lots of land to be completely self sufficient New devotees join and so naturally they embrace Srila Prabhupada as their real very much living guiding spiritual master, I sit and ponder how lucky they are to be brought directly to Srila Prabhupada’s feet and shelter and not have to go through all we ( who went through iskcon’s guru maze ) had to go through. I am so happy for them and so so indebted and proud of another wonderful devotee leading many new devotees directly to Srila Prabhupada and can only pray that one day Prabhupada and Krsna may allow me to get their wonderful association very soon. In all my personal experience with different temples around the world, this is the one that I recommend to anyone and everyone, just being there after two weeks I didn't feel like I was missing Mayapur or even Vrinadavan! Where ever there is nice Prabhupada consciousness that is the best place to be for our Krsna consciousness. This wonderful temple has everything you need, the only thing they want or need is more devotees to do more. better and bigger things for Prabhupada’s pleasure so please give yourself the chance to experience this wonderful spiritual community and help them do more to help you. Hare Krsna, wishing you all a strong serious desire to really want to serve and please Srila Prabhupada knowing it is the best and easiest way to attract the mercy of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the combined mercy of Sri Radharani and Sri Krsna All glories to Srila Prabhupada Ys Balarama das, ( Turkey )
4) Comment by Gauridasa Pandita Das (USA):
HariboL All Glories to our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada and his Hare
Krsna Center in Jaipur! I visited the Hare Krsna Center a short time back and
was quite pleased with the unity and love and devotion the devotees there have
for Srila Prabhupada. The devotees are very enthusiastic and are cooperating
very nicely because they keep Srila Prabhupada in the center. The devotees have
wonderful college preaching programs and its no wonder why so many are taking
interest in Krsna Consciousness and joining surrendering everything to Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada's Kirtan recordings are played constantly on loud
speakers during the day so the whole atmosphere is purifying all the time. The
devotees are as busy as bees attending the regular programs and going about
their services. They have a great service attitude and go out of their way to
treat eachother and especially the guests nicely. This pleases Srila Prabhupada
and our sweet Lord Krsna very much. I also like that there is a Goshala right
at the Temple. The cows and calves are so friendly, sweet and happy. The
Prasadam is first class made with milk from the devotee cows. I was treated
very nicely at the Hare Krsna Center. I recommend that you visit and become
involved in devotional service and thus save yourself and others. If you can do
some service and/or give donations that would help spread Krsna Consciousness.
All glories to all the devotees at the Hare Krsna Center who are following Srila Prabhupada to the letter. They are showing their love and devotion for him by cooperating and serving and preaching so nicely.
All glories to all the devotees at the Hare Krsna Center who are following Srila Prabhupada to the letter. They are showing their love and devotion for him by cooperating and serving and preaching so nicely.
Hope this meets you all well, Your friend and servant, Gauridasa
Pandita Dasa
5) Comment by Alex prabhu (Russia)
I had wonderful experience at Hare Krishna Community Jaipur in spring of 2013! Many nice and hospitable Prabhupadanuga devotees and preaching activities in colleges&schools. It was impressive. I wish all success to your service to Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya and hope to visit Hare Krishna Community Jaipur again. Bh. Alexander Strgantsev, Voronezh, Russia
I had wonderful experience at Hare Krishna Community Jaipur in spring of 2013! Many nice and hospitable Prabhupadanuga devotees and preaching activities in colleges&schools. It was impressive. I wish all success to your service to Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya and hope to visit Hare Krishna Community Jaipur again. Bh. Alexander Strgantsev, Voronezh, Russia
Above
are the comments of so many devotees from around the world who stayed here for
a long time.
Below are your comments about the direction in which I and the center are going which are manipulated, false, imagined, motivated by envy, based on information gathered from one or two devotees who had left the center due to their personal problems like envy, lack of sense control, etc. I will prove this step by step in my answer to the following dirty comments made by you on sincere, dedicated, fixed up devotees fully committed to Srila Prabhupada.
Nimai:
After reflecting on the day’s talk when I was last at the center in
March, and then various devotees telling me about different activities and
advices of Murali Mohan Prabhu, sometimes officially propagated by you, I came
to become concerned with both his spiritual life and the devotees future there.
Dayalu:
Prabhu, if you would have been really concerned with the spiritual life of Murli Mohan Prabhu and the other devotees here, then you could have come to the center and met me and other devotees and we could have sat down together after a nice kirtan and discussed all these issues in an isthagoshti.
But what YOU are doing is that you are in Jaipur since last 1 month or may be more than that and you are neither talking to me on phone nor visiting the center. Instead , you are meeting / calling few devotees who have some personal differences with the center. Instead of telling them that some devotees in a big organization like our’s will have differences created by maya or by some minor faults from our side and trying to correct those misunderstandings you are magnifying those differences, imagining the consequences and writing some big big mails like this one, challenging me that I will not show this mail to anyone and instigating me to hold an isthagoshthi.
Prabhu, this is not ishthagoshti, it is a conspiracy plotted by you to destroy such a nice flourishing Prabhupadanuga center, based on envy and frustration. You or others who are reading this mail may think that how I can put such a serious charge against you. For last so many years I have been trying to understand your complicated personality, you always say that Srila Prabhupada has given you an order to train leaders for His movements and for that only you are fighting case in NY, want to established Varnasharama college etc. etc. You used to tell me that there are no brahamanas (independently thoughtful devotees) even in a very big successful preaching groups like ISKCON Bangalore. If you remember I used to argue with you on this point that how can you say such a thing for such advanced devotees? and then you use to try to prove to me using Srila Prabhupada’s quotes that ISKCON Bangalore is not creating brahamanas and even once you predicted that in time when Madhu Pandit Prabhu leaves, this movement will break and the devotees who are getting trained up in your guidance will take care of those ISKCON Bangalore’s temples. I was amused by your talks but since you use to put so many quotes of Prabhupada to support it I used to get confused.
If you remember that once you went to the extent of telling me that ISKCON Bangalore situation is like “khoda pahaad nikli chuhiya” (a mountain in labor and a mouse be result), I argued with you that how can you say like this for such a senior devotee like Madhu Pandit Prabhu again you tried to prove this time by saying that Krishna is not revealing him(MPP) how to preach in the west etc. etc.
Prabhu, if you would have been really concerned with the spiritual life of Murli Mohan Prabhu and the other devotees here, then you could have come to the center and met me and other devotees and we could have sat down together after a nice kirtan and discussed all these issues in an isthagoshti.
But what YOU are doing is that you are in Jaipur since last 1 month or may be more than that and you are neither talking to me on phone nor visiting the center. Instead , you are meeting / calling few devotees who have some personal differences with the center. Instead of telling them that some devotees in a big organization like our’s will have differences created by maya or by some minor faults from our side and trying to correct those misunderstandings you are magnifying those differences, imagining the consequences and writing some big big mails like this one, challenging me that I will not show this mail to anyone and instigating me to hold an isthagoshthi.
Prabhu, this is not ishthagoshti, it is a conspiracy plotted by you to destroy such a nice flourishing Prabhupadanuga center, based on envy and frustration. You or others who are reading this mail may think that how I can put such a serious charge against you. For last so many years I have been trying to understand your complicated personality, you always say that Srila Prabhupada has given you an order to train leaders for His movements and for that only you are fighting case in NY, want to established Varnasharama college etc. etc. You used to tell me that there are no brahamanas (independently thoughtful devotees) even in a very big successful preaching groups like ISKCON Bangalore. If you remember I used to argue with you on this point that how can you say such a thing for such advanced devotees? and then you use to try to prove to me using Srila Prabhupada’s quotes that ISKCON Bangalore is not creating brahamanas and even once you predicted that in time when Madhu Pandit Prabhu leaves, this movement will break and the devotees who are getting trained up in your guidance will take care of those ISKCON Bangalore’s temples. I was amused by your talks but since you use to put so many quotes of Prabhupada to support it I used to get confused.
If you remember that once you went to the extent of telling me that ISKCON Bangalore situation is like “khoda pahaad nikli chuhiya” (a mountain in labor and a mouse be result), I argued with you that how can you say like this for such a senior devotee like Madhu Pandit Prabhu again you tried to prove this time by saying that Krishna is not revealing him(MPP) how to preach in the west etc. etc.
If I would
have known your real face at that
time I would have called Madhu Pandit prabhu and told him about it. Now I am
feeling guilty that I participated in such offensive talks about such a senior
vaishnava with you. I called Madhu Pandit prabhu two days back and he confirmed
to me that you have tried to break his movement also.
Also
when my group of devotees here was small you were very nice to me and other
devotees here. After my preaching expended and our group became bigger and
bigger and we moved to a big set-up your behavior towards me and the center
started changing, you stopped visiting our center.
From
that time till now you visited our center 3 times only.
1st
time when you visited our big center that also after my lot of requesting you to
come and at least see our center, initiated brahmacaris
and grihasthas and finally you
came to the center just for ten minutes. You saw Hrishikesh Das (earlier
Hrishiraj) in saffron for the first time and you passed a comment on him that
“this devotee will go away soon because his heart is dry from inside and have
no taste”, I was amazed on this comment by you and when I told this to
Hrishikesh Das he got little disturbed and wrote a mail (attached below) to
which you did not even reply:
From: Hare Krishna Community Jaipur <hkc120@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:07 AM Subject: quarry To: Nimai Pandit <npd108@gmail.com> Hare Krishna ! Prabhu !
PAMHO !!
All glories to Srila Prabhupada !
Thank u prabhu for your reply.
Prabhu there is one point which is disturbing me from
last few months.
Prabhu do u remember that few months before u visited at our
Sitapura Center. That time u mention to Dayalu Prabhu about me that "Hrishikesh Kuch hi din ka mehaman ha".This is the point which is
disturbing me. I know that Dayalu Prabhu told me this to keep alert in
my spiritual life.
Prabhu i'm totally in ignorance still i'm not be able to
find out what is that mistake which u have seen in me.
I don't want to go again in that dirty material life, i want
to remain in the association of such nice devotees, i want to remain as an
instrument in the mission of Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhu, I'm humbly requesting u, Please tell
me that mistake so that i may try to correct it.
Your servant
Hrishikesh Das
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If
you remember once I had sent one mail to you 1 and a half years back telling
you that we may get a good piece of land wherein I am planning to start gurukul
and a farm community project and you replied to me that you think that I am not
that person through whom this will be done and you mentioned the name of a
newly initiated devotee Madan Mohan who will do it.
I know you will come back saying that all this is false so I am producing evidence for each of my statements as far as possible and Krishna is giving me amazing intelligence and evidences to prove my point. So I am reproducing a portion of that mail (and not the whole mail since it is very big) to support my above claim.
I know you will come back saying that all this is false so I am producing evidence for each of my statements as far as possible and Krishna is giving me amazing intelligence and evidences to prove my point. So I am reproducing a portion of that mail (and not the whole mail since it is very big) to support my above claim.
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Dharmesh Sharma <dayalunitai108@gmail.com> wrote:
.
(my words)
Last month when Vedvitt was here (his wife and children are still here and he has gone back to Singapore to wind up the remaining things ...may be in 2-3 months time he will come back to India finally) we were talking about children's future, Gurukul, Farm community project etc. and he told me that if I look for a good piece of land in a nearby village and if there is concrete plan to develop it then he can donate or invest some good money. (your reply)
As for me, I
think Madan Mohan prabhu would be that devotee, with Vedavitt Prabhu
running the gurukul there. But I could be wrong and Vedavitta Prabhu maybe
feeling inspired on his own, not knowing him currently hence I cannot
comment. But then he has to take that responsibility and not you.
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Prabhu
you have a habit of making future forecast as if you are Supersoul and you have
done this hundreds of times with me and most of the time the result has been
contrary to what you have predicted. Hrishikesh Das Brahamchary whom you had
predicted will soon go into maya is currently peacefully situated in his
devotional service and he is one of the responsible teachers in our Varnasrama
College. Your second prediction of gurukul and farm community happening through
Madan Mohan and not me has also become false as we have already purchased 50
Bigha land and work for farm community has already started and gurukul is running
successfully, as far as Madan Mohan is concerned, today he is standing against
me and the Gurukul in the conspiracy plotted by you against me and the whole
movement going on here.
I would suggest you to stop making predictions imagining yourself in contact with supersoul thereby destroying the life of many sincere devotees and behave as a normal devotee with the 4 defects of conditioned soul.
I would suggest you to stop making predictions imagining yourself in contact with supersoul thereby destroying the life of many sincere devotees and behave as a normal devotee with the 4 defects of conditioned soul.
So I
have enough reasons to say that you are plotting this conspiracy against me OUT
OF ENVY. If still you have doubt about yourself and your mind is still
justifying your above stated behavior and making you think that you are very
advanced devotee I am throwing some more light on your behavior with so many
senior Vaisnavas around the world whom I have been contacting since you have
sent this DIRTY MAIL to me.
After
reading the above incidents all the devotees of the world who are reading this
mail can understand that you are envious of our center and the devotees here.
Is there anything left to prove that Nimai Pandit Das is envious?
Is there anything left to prove that Nimai Pandit Das is envious?
Nimai:
But after last time’s almost blind angry confrontational attitude from you (1st time in our close relationship of almost 20 years!), as well as your propagating to various devotees that “Nimai is in Maya”, “He is sahajiya etc.”, I thought it is not my duty to do anything about the situation currently.
Dayalu:
But after last time’s almost blind angry confrontational attitude from you (1st time in our close relationship of almost 20 years!), as well as your propagating to various devotees that “Nimai is in Maya”, “He is sahajiya etc.”, I thought it is not my duty to do anything about the situation currently.
Dayalu:
Now this
is too much!! Last time when you came to the center and we were talking in my
room. If you remember I started raising some of the many issues which I have
been having with you. I accept that I was little angry but you were so angry
that literally you were shouting. Many devotees in the brahmacari ashram heard this shouting as the ashram is just below
the pathway attached to my room. I have talked to them and they are ready to
vouch in front of Deities about the validity of this incident in case you start
alleging me that I am telling lies. After this you angrily went down the stairs
and I went behind you trying to pacify you. And since then (March 2013) I have
been writing to you many mails and you are just not replying. Raghav Pandit Das
even wrote to you on facebook and skype that “please check the mails sent to
you by Dayalu Prabhu they are urgent” still you did not reply.
I was thinking that maybe you have taken the above incident of your last visit to the center wherein I was questioning about some issues and you were becoming angry very seriously, that is why you are not replying. I even mentioned this to you in one of the emails which is reproduced as it is below.
I was thinking that maybe you have taken the above incident of your last visit to the center wherein I was questioning about some issues and you were becoming angry very seriously, that is why you are not replying. I even mentioned this to you in one of the emails which is reproduced as it is below.
Dear Nimai Prabhu,
PAMHO. AGTSP. No reply. Are u very busy ? or you are angry with me due to the points i raised on your last visit to jaipur ? waiting for your reply. ys, Dayalu Nitai Das
Dear Nimai Pandit
Prabhu,
PAMHO. AGTSP. What happened prabhu, no reply ? I want to keep in touch with you for Srila Prabhupada's service only ...i do not know why you are not replying ?
ys,
Dayalu Nitai Das |
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If you
see the above incident carefully you will see that you have presented the facts
in just an opposite way. It is proved
that YOU ARE A LIAR.
I am not
PRAPOGATING that Nimai is in maya or
Nimai is sahajiya. But after being thoroughly convinced myself that you are
actually in maya I have told this to some devotees here who have been
questioning me about your strange behavior.
Nimai:
I am not the teacher or anybody, and as I told you last time I am
not going to take the position to advise anyone at your center anymore. Lord
Krishna is the Supreme Controller and when He desires then He would guide you.
Hence I have been completely silent.
Dayalu:
I know
that that you do not want to become the teacher but you WANT to become the
TEACHER OF ALL TEACHERS. Remember that you always used to tell me that Srila Prabhupada
has given me the service to train leaders.
As far
as giving advice to the devotees at our center is concerned nobody at the center
wants to take your advice.
All the
devotees around the world who are reading this mail should note the following
incident VERY VERY CAREFULLY which will help them to
understand the complicated personality of Nimai Pandit Das.
If you
remember one devotee Arjun das, whose devotional life you almost destroyed by
your impractical, fanatic advices. From the time he started working with you he
was developing frustration in his life and constantly telling me that he wants
to come back to his original services of BOOK DISTRIBUTION in which he was
getting lot of satisfaction and happiness.
When I
told you about this you wrote to me that this Sangad project service is given
by Srila Prabhupada to him and so how can he think of leaving the service
ordered by his guru. At this point you gave me many quotes of Srila Prabhupada
wherein it is mentioned that what happens when somebody whimsically leaves the
service given by his spiritual master, when I told it to Arjuna Das he became
scared and inspite of frustration, unhappiness he decided to continue working
under you. But after continuing to work with you for another few months he
almost cracked and informed me as well as you that whatever bad may happen to
his spiritual life as proved by you from Srila Prabhupada’s quotes that he
cannot continue working under you for this service. Then to my utmost amazement
you wrote to him and me that when Srila Prabhupada would see that some of his
disciple is not willing to do some service which Srila Prabhupada is ordering
then he would himself relieve him from that service to save him from the
offense of disobeying the order of the spiritual master, then you went on to
tell Arjuna Das that since this service of Sangad Project was given by you on
the behalf of Srila Prabhupada so unless YOU relieve him of this service Arjuna
Das will not be able to overcome the offence against Srila Prabhupada and
finally you wrote to him that I am
relieving you from this service to
save you from the offence of disobeying the order of Spiritual Master.
You did
not stop here and then when I informed you that I am engaging Arjuna Das in
book distribution as before at the center you replied to me that instead I
should send him home allowing him to go in maya wherein he will be beaten up by
maya and become purified and when he will come back to KC he will be more
matured, this was too much for me to digest and I wrote back to you saying that
is this mail written by YOU or someone
else? You did not stop here and gave me a very long e-mail quoting numbers
of quotes of Srila Prabhupada trying to prove that in this particular situation
this is the BEST advice for Arjuna Das.
This was too much for me and I simply ignored your reply and engaged Arjuna Das in his original service of book distribution at the center. Today he is very nicely settled in KC, married to KC girl and expecting a child next week.
This was too much for me and I simply ignored your reply and engaged Arjuna Das in his original service of book distribution at the center. Today he is very nicely settled in KC, married to KC girl and expecting a child next week.
Nimai:
Since then you keep writing to me and asking me to respond, and many
more devotees have begun to feel similarly and bringing their complaints to me,
and requesting me to do something.
Dayalu:
If you
are reading my reply from the very beginning carefully you can clearly see your
duplicit behavior in writing the above lines.
Nimai:
Especially as earlier I used to intervene with you and advise some of them.
Especially as earlier I used to intervene with you and advise some of them.
Dayalu:
That I also accept and looking back I feel relieved that you advised only some of them. One of those SOME devotees is Arjuna Das whose case is already discussed and what your advice did to him.
That I also accept and looking back I feel relieved that you advised only some of them. One of those SOME devotees is Arjuna Das whose case is already discussed and what your advice did to him.
Bhakta
Pankaj who left this movement due to your impractical advice is still angry
with you.
Bhakta
Aniruddha whom you handled very roughly used to shiver by your name is another
example. (If you do not remember I can send the mails between you and Aniruddha
wherein he is expressing his anger and frustration about the various dealings
which you had with him). Recently Aniruddha called me from a landline number and
was telling me that Nimai prabhu was praising me very much and was insisting me
to take money. Aniruddha told me that he was telling you that I do not need the
money as I am already earning money from a job in a call center. Aniruddha told
me that you were still insisting him to take the money. This whole conversation
between me and Aniruddha was recorded and I will be sending you the audio file
and the mails between you and Aniruddha in my next mail to you.
Are you bribing him so that finllay you can turn him
also against me and the center?
Nimai:
Nimai:
Moreover Srila Prabhupada’s instructions to me regarding developing
Varnasrama College and seeing that you have started feeling the need for it
too,
Dayalu:
I am not
feeling any need for the Varnashrama College because the Varnashrama College is
already established here and running very successfully as per the instructions
of Srila Prabhupada. For more information you can visit www.bigvc.org
(under construction).
Nimai: makes me wish that we cooperate for the benefit of so many current/future devotees, so in combination of so many things I thought I will endeavor to clear all these misunderstandings etc. to please Srila Prabhupada.
Dayalu:
Anybody who is reading this mail carefully (specially the congregation devotees and a few full-time devotees who have left the temple in the past few years because of their personal problem) from the very beginning can clearly see that forget about clearing misunderstanding you (Nimai) are endeavoring to create misunderstanding. And how this is going to please Srila Prabhupada remains to be explained by you and all these devotees who have become involved with you in this conspiracy against a genuine, flourishing movement of Srila Prabjhupada!!
Anybody who is reading this mail carefully (specially the congregation devotees and a few full-time devotees who have left the temple in the past few years because of their personal problem) from the very beginning can clearly see that forget about clearing misunderstanding you (Nimai) are endeavoring to create misunderstanding. And how this is going to please Srila Prabhupada remains to be explained by you and all these devotees who have become involved with you in this conspiracy against a genuine, flourishing movement of Srila Prabjhupada!!
In the last
one month since you are in Jaipur you are not calling me neither coming to the
center but you are either calling our congregation devotees to your house in
banipark or sending your thoughts to
them through some of your agents and creating misunderstandings between them and
the center.
For
example, Premabhakti prabhu called Rajesh Sharma, who is one of our very old
congregation devotee. Rajesh Sharma told me that Premabhakti prabhu was telling
him that Nimai Pandit called him (Premabhakti) to his house in Banipark and was
trying to prove that the center is deviating from the instruction of Srila
Prabhupada. Premabhakti also told Rajesh Sharma on the phone that he has become
confused after meeting Nimai Pandit prabhu.
Another example
is related to a devotee named Chanchal Sharma who was earlier associated with
us.
As far
as I remember 6-7 years back this Chanchal developed a great misunderstanding
about me. Due to the combined effort of Murli Mohan prabhu who is his cousin
and he himself this misunderstanding has almost reduced ti nil. Recently
Chanchal came to meet me and he was expressing his desire to start an
independent preaching center. He was also requesting me to include his name for
the next ritvik ceremony which will
mostly be performed during next Gaura Poornima festival 2014. I suggested to him
that instead of creating a trust by another name you can become part of Hare
Krishna Community and still be independent as per the instruction given by
Srila Prabhupada in DOM (Direction of Management). And he was very satisfied
with my suggestions.
After
that he told me that he will like to meet me again very soon and I assured that
I will give him time, this happened around 15 days back after that he met you. You
sent Madan Mohan Das (who is openly challenging
me through some of our temple devotee for an Istagoshti) to Chanchal’s house
with the information that you are here and
then he got the desire to meet you. After meeting you his views started
changing towards me and the center and his misunderstanding which had almost
become zero again got magnified. He has been telling other devotees that Nimai
has told him to organize a meeting and raise some manipulated, imagined, false
issues against me and the center.
Like
that many weak devotees are becoming confused by your mis-preaching.
Likewise
Chanchal, Premabhakti Das, Avinash, Dharamveer, Aniruddha, Madan Mohan Das etc.
have become victim of this conspiracy master minded by you. Unfortunately they
do not know that they are becoming a part of this conspiracy which is
destroying a genuine, growing preaching movement of Srila Prabhupada. They do
not know what they are doing? They cannot even imagine that you have done these
things with such senior Vaishnavas like Kapindra Swami, Madhu Pandit prabhu,
Krishnakant prabhu (IRM head) etc.
The main thing to note here is that these
devotees are not contacting, you and complaining as mentioned by you but you are contacting them directly or through your agents and
confusing them.
Is
this the way to clear misunderstandings???
Nimai
Pandit Prabhu you have been able to break some of these weak devotees who have
some contamination of envy which you have fanned. But for your kind information
all the full-time dedicated brahmacaris (18 in number) and initiated full time
dedicated grihastas (3 in number) have
full faith in me and this preaching movement of Srila Prabhupada going on here.
To prove this I am going to send you another mail which has a document signed
by all these devotees vouching their support, faith and dedication in me and
this preaching movement of Srila Prabhupada going on here.
You may
still think that you will be able to break some of the congregation devotees,
hostel boys, parents of our gurukul students but for your kind information we
have already started contacting them and getting their signatures also. Since
this may take a little time you will have to wait before you receive this signed
document in my subsequent mails.
Prabhu I am telling you that you
will not be able to break this movement, we don’t need your advice, direction,
any philosophy from your side how to follow Srila Pravbhupada’s instructions. We
are ALL regularly reading Srila Prabhupada’s books, worshipping him
daily, trying to to follow his instructions in letter and spirit, trying to
full fill his desires for a flourishing Gurukul, Varnashrama College, farm
community, youth preaching, Book distribution, Prasadam distribution, Sankirtan,
making grihathas financially independent, creating a favourable environment for
those devotees who want to remain naistika
brahmacari (a entity which is desired by Srila Prabhupada and previous
acaryas which is becoming extinct due to the unfavorable environment of kali
yuga and non-sense preaching from “advanced devotee” like you).
If you remember I
am your path-pradshak guru who
introduced you to Srila Prabhupada and his KC movement when I came to USA
around 20 years back and met you there for first time wherein you were deeply
sunk in material life. Even in that capacity I suggest you to immediately stop
your nasty acitivities.
Nimai:
Moreover, I miss my dear friend Dayalu Nitai Prabhu. Hence I
specifically made my schedule such that I can come to Jaipur and stay for some
days and try to see what can be done.
Dayalu:
You are
in Jaipur since last one month staying in your house at Baniprak which is only
25 km from the Hare Krishna Center where I am residing. The amazing thing is
that you have come all the way from US or whichever country covering a distance
of thousands of kilometers to meet your dear friend Dayalu Nitai but you are
not able to cover a distance of 25 kilometers in one month to come and see him
personally!! If you are really missing me so much why don’t you just come and
meet me. What is the Difficulty??
Nimai:
I request Prabhu that you organize an Istagoshti at the Center, in
front of the Deities, Srila Prabhupada, and all concerned Vaisnavas. Maybe on
Srila Prabhupada’s Disappearance Day. After nice kirtan, in a cordial and
mutually respectful atmosphere, let us discuss all issues one by one---from
your side, from my side, and from other devotee’s side. This is the way Srila
Prabhupada has prescribed for resolving issues among Godbrothers. We need to
discuss everything, letting all speak-air their views/complaints, and reply as
per reference to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. I have seen many times that most
of the issues get resolved by following this instruction of Srila Prabhupada.
We have all a lot to do, can all benefit from each other’s mutual cooperation, and
moreover we need to go back to the spiritual world to be situated in our
original position of service, so let us get all the hindrances out of the way
and carry on.
Dayalu:
Yes
prabhu seeing the seriousness of the imagined
charges you have made against me, Murli Mohan prabhu, Gurukul, the center,
matajis and all the full-time dedicated devotees, I thought that this
Istagoshti needs to be done on an International level.
As per your desire stated above “We need to discuss everything, letting all speak-air their views/complaints”, I have decided to discuss everything and involve all around the world.
So since I have received your mail I have been trying to contact all the senior devotees of the world who have had similar experiences with you like:
As per your desire stated above “We need to discuss everything, letting all speak-air their views/complaints”, I have decided to discuss everything and involve all around the world.
So since I have received your mail I have been trying to contact all the senior devotees of the world who have had similar experiences with you like:
Madhudvisha
prabhu (one of the most senior desciples of Srila Prabhupada),
Kapindra Swami Maharaj (President Pabhupada Sankirtan Society),
Madhu Pandit prabhu (President ISKCON Banglore group of Temple),
Krishnakant prabhu (IRM head),
Yashodananda prabhu (senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada),
Damaghosha Prabhu (senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada)
Aprakrati Das prabhu (senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada)
and many more…..
Kapindra Swami Maharaj (President Pabhupada Sankirtan Society),
Madhu Pandit prabhu (President ISKCON Banglore group of Temple),
Krishnakant prabhu (IRM head),
Yashodananda prabhu (senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada),
Damaghosha Prabhu (senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada)
Aprakrati Das prabhu (senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada)
and many more…..
I have
already got the comments of Madhudvisha prabhu about his experiences with you
which are as follows:
My humble opinion is that Nimai's ideas
are unrealistic. He is a good talker. But he is also a fighter. Even if there
is nothing to fight about he will fight. I know him well from the time he moved
from the US and I think you know him also because he is your ISKCON Bangalore
devotee.
First he stayed in IRM New York center,
there he tried to take this over from Brahmabhuta Prabhu and was asked to
leave. Then he went to Kapindra Swami's "Prabhupada Sankirtana Society"
and fermented a revolution amoung the brahmacaries there and together they
demanded that Kapindra Swami leave his temple and that Nimai should take over.
Kapindra Swami asked Nimai to leave and he went to ISKCON Long Island and he
proceeded to try and take over the temple from Visvapran Prabhu and his wife.
Here he was finally successful. He got control of ISKCON Long Island.
Then for some time he was travelling to
various ISKCON temples like Boston, etc, and plotting to take them over. Then
he came up with the idea of taking over the name ISKCON, taking over the BBT,
taking over the GBC, etc.
My humble suggestion is that Nimai is
not a very good person to be working with. He is a fighter by nature, he will
also fight till death, even if there is no reason for fighting.
Your servant
Madhudvisa dasa.
Madhudvisa dasa.
The
comments of other senior Vaishnavas will be sent by me in my next mail.
Since
this International Istagoshti cannot happen physically at our center so I was
thinking that we will do it on the internet. I will share all the mails which
you are sending me one after another with their replies line by line with the
above devotees and all the concerned devotees of the world. The method I will
use is that I will send the reply to each of your mails with a “Cc” to all the
concerned devotees of the world. Then when these devotees will send their
comments to me I will share it with you and then we can discuss them.
For the confusion you have already created amongst all the devotees here we can have a local Istagoshti also.
Nimai:
To facilitate that, I am writing below in detail the main issues
from my side. Hope this can give better clarity to you so that you can prepare
accordingly for the Istagoshti. I will also reply in another email to your
issues of me. Hopefully thereby the issues can be resolved much easier given
the time limitations that we all have.
Issues with you:
1.
Taking the
center/devotees away from Srila Prabhupada by:
a.
Elevating Murali Mohan Prabhu falsely to be “an advanced devotee” beyond
his qualification by your words and actions
b.
Designating him as a “true brahmana” etc. without his proper brahmacari
training taking place
c.
Propagating that “we cannot approach or understand Srila Prabhupada
directly”, that we need “guidance of “others”, “more advanced vaisnavas” etc.
etc. –i.e. Murali Mohan Prabhu!
d.
Preaching that we cannot understand Srila Prabhupada’s books without
the guidance of “senior devotees” – i.e. Murali Mohan Prabhu!
e.
Preaching that we need to understand the letter and the “spirit”
when related to Srila Prabhupada’s statements. And for understanding the
“spirit” one needs to hear from senior devotees – i..e Murali Mohan Prabhu!
f.
Many devotees say that earlier you used to preach often that take
shelter of Srila Prabhupada’s books, hear from him, inquire from him, he will
guide etc.—which was difficult but inspiring, but now you propagate the
above---basically to take guidance of “advanced devotee” i.e. Murali Mohan
Prabhu, as we cannot approach Srila Prabhupada directly.
g.
Gradually accepting some of his past karma kandiya background
viewpoints in lieu of parampara viewpoint of Srila Prabhupada which are more
detailed below.
Dayalu:
Now here
starts your imagined, manipulated,
false, charges based on envy and information collected from some devotees who have become victim of
your conspiracy which is being plotted against me and all the Prabhupadanuga
devotees here with an intention of destroying Srila Prabhupada’s movement.
Needless
to say that I have already proved that you have become envious of me and my
preaching here. After reading the above seven very serious charges, the
devotees around the world who are reading this mail may start wondering why you
have targeted this one devotee, Murli
Mohan prabhu (who is going to take sannyas in next ritvik initiation ceremony
which is going to be held during the next Gaur Poornima festival March 2014).
This decision of Murli Mohan prabhu is supported by all of us based on the
following facts:
a) his
dedication, understanding, following of Srila Prabhupada’s desires, instruction
and his
movement.
movement.
b) he
has already read Srila Prabhupada’s books –small books, Bhagavad Gita and
Srimad
Bhagavatam cover to cover.
Bhagavatam cover to cover.
c) You
also know that he is born in a very highly traditional brahaminical family of
India. His father
was initiated in Sri Ramanuja Sampraday before his marriage. Worship of Shaligram sila has
been going on regularly in his house. His whole family eats only Krishna Prasadam.
d) his spotless character from childhood. You also know that he has never touched the four sins
(intoxication including tea and coffee, meat eating including onion and garlic, gambling, illicit-
sex) since his childhood.
was initiated in Sri Ramanuja Sampraday before his marriage. Worship of Shaligram sila has
been going on regularly in his house. His whole family eats only Krishna Prasadam.
d) his spotless character from childhood. You also know that he has never touched the four sins
(intoxication including tea and coffee, meat eating including onion and garlic, gambling, illicit-
sex) since his childhood.
e) right from the childhood he has been engaged
in the duties of a brahamna yajna-yaajan, patan-
paatan, daan-pratigrha.
paatan, daan-pratigrha.
Rest of
your mail is filled with offensive imagined manipulated charges on Murli Mohan
prabhu, myself and this whole movement of Srila Prabhupada going on here. And
the worst part is you are trying to prove these charges using Srila Prabhupada’s
quotes. You are not even realizing how
much offensive it is at the lotus feet of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta
Swami Prabhupada.
In the
rest of your unanswered mail your main charge is that myself and this whole
movement of Srila Prabhupada has deviated under the wrong guidance of Murli
Mohan prabhu.
Actually
I do not need to answer them since this charge is based on offence, envy,
imagination, falsity, trying to see me, Murali Mohan Prabhu and this movement
through the eyes of some neophyte devotees who have got further misguided by
you.
If you would have come and personally stayed with the devotees here and seen everything directly how nicely this movement of Srila Prabhupada is going on here you would have not wasted so much of your time in writing such long mails and also my valuable time who is becoming forced to answer to your mails due to the disturbance you have created here.
If you would have come and personally stayed with the devotees here and seen everything directly how nicely this movement of Srila Prabhupada is going on here you would have not wasted so much of your time in writing such long mails and also my valuable time who is becoming forced to answer to your mails due to the disturbance you have created here.
But
because you have a habit of asking evidence for everything, so I am preparing
another document to explain this non-sense and offensive charge. In my next
mail which I will be sending you soon a word file will be attached. If still
you are having doubts about the purity of Srila Prabhupada’s movement going on
here it will be cleared up after reading this word file which will answer the
rest of your mail line by line.
To sum
up I will be sending the following three mails in the next few days to you:
1) in
the first mail there will be a word file attached which will clarify your doubt
that
Srila Prabhupada’s movement going on here has deviated from his teaching under the wrong
guidance of Murli Mohan prabhu.
Srila Prabhupada’s movement going on here has deviated from his teaching under the wrong
guidance of Murli Mohan prabhu.
2) in
the second mail there will be a soft copy of the document wherein all the
devotees here who
have signed that they have full faith that this movement of Srila Prabhupada is going on nicely as
per his instruction under my leadership.
have signed that they have full faith that this movement of Srila Prabhupada is going on nicely as
per his instruction under my leadership.
3) in my third mail I will be sending a copy of
mails from Madhu Pandit prabhu, Kapindra Swami,
Madhudvisha prabhu, Krishnakant prabhu, Yashodananda prabhu, Damaghosha Prabhu, Aprakrati
Das prabhu sent from their personal e-mail-id to my email-id confirming their similar experiences
with you.
Madhudvisha prabhu, Krishnakant prabhu, Yashodananda prabhu, Damaghosha Prabhu, Aprakrati
Das prabhu sent from their personal e-mail-id to my email-id confirming their similar experiences
with you.
Yours in
the service of Srila Prabhupada
Dayalu Nitai Das
Dayalu Nitai Das
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